Heh last pass to the list I am admin at was short and I remembered it by heart. Now its long( If subscribers' passes are to be changed can it be done on per email basis? I mean I do not want instead of the same pass to all lists have a unique one in each so that I will need a lot of time changing them or a lot of time finding them if do not change. --Base
> Thanks for doing this.
>
> Generally speaking, I doubt that most lists ever get around to
> changing their admin passwords. Would there be an appetite to mass
> change passwords once a year?
>
> Fae
>
> On 13 November 2015 at 05:08, Daniel Zahn <dzahn(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
>> Hello list admins,
>>
>> due to http://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/11/12/mailman-security-incident/
>>
>> we have reset all list admin passwords. You should have already received a
>> new pass in the mail earlier.
>>
>> I just wanted to add that we also changed all _moderator_ passwords, but as
>> opposed to admin passwords we could not just mail the owner address.
>>
>> We don't expect that many lists actually use a separate moderator role where
>> people moderate who are _not_ also the list admin, but if this is the case
>> for one your lists, please change it to something new and let your
>> moderators know the new password.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> --
>> Daniel Zahn <dzahn(a)wikimedia.org>
>> Operations Engineer
>
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Hi everyone,
As you are all aware we've been working on the mailman installation that
the Foundation uses. As the bulk of the work was done, I have been focusing
on improving documentation and aiming to start a discussion over the
standardization of all mailing lists.
I have just now uploaded a proposal that I have been working on (with help
from others) and request the comments of the community to work on building
it into an official policy.
The proposal can be found on Meta-Wiki <
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Standardization> and the RfC
is taking place on its talk page.
Let's all work together on standardizing the lists installation and
creating a basic policy to ensure everything is consistent and thus easier
to use!
Thanks,
John Lewis
Hi,
(back to just announcements on this list but this is one)
We have scheduled an upgrade of mailman (https://lists.wikimedia.org) for:
Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 2:00:00 PM UTC ( 7:00 AM PDT, 16:00 CEST)
The scheduled mainteance window is 4 hours (or less).
During this time please expect all the mailing lists (web interface
and email) to be down.
We will shut down the old server, then sync all pending mail to the
new server and bring it back up there.
The upgrade includes mailman from 2.1.13 to 2.1.18 and the server OS
will become a Debian jessie server and will be virtualized.
More things we expect to be fixed by this (excerpts):
"DMARC improvements solve issues users have with Yahoo and Outlook
regarding mail."
"Password reminder link is now on the roster page (private archives)."
"Emails can be automatically accepted to private lists if a poster
password is used"
"Cookies now set the secure flag when over HTTPS"
"Emails are validated more accurately. Spam prevention."
"Sessions can be invalidated through logouts on administrator and
moderation interfaces."
refs: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailman ,
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T105756 ,
Will follow-up with one other mail once it's done. As said above this
was supposed to
be just an announcement since this list should be low volume.
Discussion/comments should probably be elsewhere.If you ask me i
prefer Phabricator personally
because think it's more effective to have tasks and discussion in the
same place.
Best regards,
Daniel
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[A thread for discussing tips, and sharing how-to.
Updates should be made (by anyone confident) to
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Administration
*Non-private questions should be asked at the talkpage there.*
Mute this thread if you don't want to see it and you use an email program
that enables that... :-) ]
Re: SpamAssassin's X-Spam-Score - There was a bugzilla/phab task related to
spam, at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T58525 ("Improve spam filtering
for Mailman mailing lists")
I've asked for an update and details about what we should use, at
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mailing_lists/Administration#Spam.21 -
Reply THERE please!
I've detailed my daily process at another new section just below that. If
there's something better, please let us know, there!
...
(Probably nothing private in here, but I haven't had enough coffee yet, so
instead of asking at the talkpage...)
I just learned about the option to Not send me a copy of every bounce. So
that will be nice! (bottom radio-button in this screenshot:
http://i.imgur.com/hu5SR8h.png)
Is that a good setting to recommend to all admins on the wiki page?
Is there a way to get useful regex out of our current lists of
"auto-discard"? (my grep-fu and regex-fu are lacking). Here are the
addresses that I've moderated spam from, on 2 lists:
https://dpaste.de/CgxV/raw
Perhaps the mailinglists that get large quantities of spam, could somehow
share (automatically, or manually a few times a year) their
auto-discard-listings?
Hope that helps. /me goes back to his weekend, and wishes you a good one.
--
Quiddity
Hello list admins,
we have found that globally we had over half a million
mails in mailman lists that were not moderated.
So that means they got held in the moderation queues but were not
accepted or discarded.
We have started deleting the oldest ones first (over 1 year old) then
moved to (older than 6 months).
We are planning to setup an automated cron job to do this
automatically in the background.
Currently the plan is to delete all messages that are held and older
than 90 days.
Please let us know if any concerns and moderate a bit more if this
affects your list.
Thank you and best regards,
Daniel
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Operations Engineer
Hello list admins,
we have found that globally we had over half a million
mails in mailman lists that were not moderated.
So that means they got held in the moderation queues but were not
accepted or discarded.
We have started deleting the oldest ones first (over 1 year old) then
moved to (older than 6 months).
We are planning to setup an automated cron job to do this
automatically in the background.
Currently the plan is to delete all messages that are held and older
than 90 days.
Please let us know if any concerns and moderate a bit more if this
affects your list.
Thank you and best regards,
Daniel
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Operations Engineer
I agree with Anne. :-)
If this is a announcement only list then the settings should be changed.
[Suggestion: Crating a own folder for mails coming from this list to prevent flooding]
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2015 12:08:54 -0400
From: risker.wp(a)gmail.com
To: listadmins(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [List admins] deleting held messages after 90 days
This makes the assumption that all Wikimedia list administrators have Phabricator accounts. Please don't make that assumption. The overwhelming majority of Wikimedians don't, and there is no reason to believe that mailing list administrators are in the small group that does.
Risker/Anne
On 27 August 2015 at 20:51, Greg Grossmeier <greg(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
Can we please move this discussion to a Phabricator ticket or something
else? This list was supposed to be, I thought, only for minimal
administrivia communication.
Greg
<quote name="Daniel Zahn" date="2015-08-27" time="16:08:10 -0700">
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 12:06 AM, Maarten Dammers <maarten(a)mdammers.nl> wrote:
> > Can you publish a per list breakdown here? What lists had the most messages
> > waiting for moderation?
>
> Here's some data for all lists that had over 1000.
>
> 71729 ./heldmsg-wikiru
> 66819 ./heldmsg-wikinews
> 43642 ./heldmsg-maps
> 40495 ./heldmsg-wikimedia
> 38696 ./heldmsg-wikifa
> 37172 ./heldmsg-wiktionary
> 26928 ./heldmsg-wikimediabe
> 25267 ./heldmsg-wikimediake
> 25178 ./heldmsg-wikimedia
> 21802 ./heldmsg-libraries
> 21728 ./heldmsg-education
> 20654 ./heldmsg-wikisk
> 19982 ./heldmsg-wikifi
> 18612 ./heldmsg-wikiia
> 14318 ./heldmsg-wikilb
> 10470 ./heldmsg-wiktionarypt
> 10249 ./heldmsg-exyu
> 8508 ./heldmsg-wikiskan
> 5672 ./heldmsg-wikihe
> 5018 ./heldmsg-wikimedianz
> 4649 ./heldmsg-wikiquality
> 4337 ./heldmsg-wikiversity
> 2885 ./heldmsg-wikibooksde
> 2381 ./heldmsg-wikimedia
> 2238 ./heldmsg-juriwiki
> 1918 ./heldmsg-mailman
> 1821 ./heldmsg-wikimedia
> 1705 ./heldmsg-wikipedia
> 1554 ./heldmsg-wikimediafr
> 1537 ./heldmsg-infobg
> 1496 ./heldmsg-wikiar
> 1353 ./heldmsg-wikimk
> 1310 ./heldmsg-ruwikiconference
> 1240 ./heldmsg-wikimediahk
> 1168 ./heldmsg-wikimedia
> 1167 ./heldmsg-wikiml
> 1078 ./heldmsg-ca
>
>
> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T109838#1561937
>
> we also have: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T110438
> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T110609
>
> for more data i have to restore already deleted stuff from bacula, but i can.
>
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I think this thread / conversation has been useful.
I had no idea WMF lists were so poorly operated / administered. Clean up
is definitely needed.
The WMF is responsible for the overall operation of the list / list service
and there should be a named person in the hot seat. Who is that person????
Regards, Richard.
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Greg Grossmeier <greg(a)wikimedia.org>
wrote:
> Can we please move this discussion to a Phabricator ticket or something
> else? This list was supposed to be, I thought, only for minimal
> administrivia communication.
>
> Greg
Hey guys,
The recent activity about deleting held messages made me aware that many
people are struggling with the web interface. Thats understandable,
and while my note wont help everyone it might be able to help some.
I wanted to make people aware of the possibility to mange mailman
mailinglists via command line. It requires a working Perl, and I don't
know how easy that is to do on Windows, I will let other people try to
figure that out.
Anyway, if it looks like something that could help you, check out
http://freecode.com/projects/listadminhttp://heim.ifi.uio.no/kjetilho/hacks/#listadmin
Have a good day.
- Hans-Petter
