* With respect to Western Armenian and Homshetsma, Oliver is entirely correct. By all means get an RFL in place for Western Armenian. But that is a different issue from Homshetsma. * With respect to "close as stale" vs. "waiting/on hold": I think there is a misunderstanding here from some people: * We're not suggesting doing anything to Incubator at all. We're not deleting test projects there that are stale. (See WP:NOTPAPER.) * With respect to "Requests for new languages", once a project is eligible, it is eligible. We're not changing that, either. * The ONLY thing being suggested is this: Where a "Request[] for new languages" was NEVER marked eligible, then if there has not been any follow-up by fluent speakers (for example, by creating an Incubator test), we will mark the request as "close as stale". * Any/all such requests are either marked as "waiting/on hold" or were never changed from "discussion/open". All of these tests should have been marked as "waiting/on hold', except that nobody ever got around to doing that. And so in all the cases I am suggesting, we have waited 7+ years, and native (fluent) speakers never showed up. So I want to remove those from the request queue, clearly inviting anyone new to start fresh with a new request. * I have recently marked a couple of requests like this as eligible, because speakers did show up. I hope that clarifies things. Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook> ________________________________ From: Langcom &lt;langcom-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org&gt; on behalf of langcom-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org &lt;langcom-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org&gt; Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 8:54 AM To: langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Langcom Digest, Vol 52, Issue 20 Send Langcom mailing list submissions to langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.wik… or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to langcom-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org You can reach the person managing the list at langcom-owner(a)lists.wikimedia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Langcom digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Four more Wikipedia requests dating to the summer of 2010 (Oliver Stegen) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 14:54:47 +0100 From: Oliver Stegen &lt;oliver_stegen(a)sil.org&gt; To: langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Langcom] Four more Wikipedia requests dating to the summer of 2010 Message-ID: &lt;93b7faca-bbd9-e7f2-40fc-0cc2422ab34d(a)sil.org&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" Scott, we're aware of the ISO code proposal for Western Armenian. Actually, one of our committee (Michael Everson) elicited the data at WMCon Berlin 2017 and wrote and submitted the proposal to the ISO committee. However, that's Western Armenian and not Homshetsma. Hence, I understand it to be right to reject the current proposal and then to open a new proposal for all of Western Armenian. Best wishes, Oliver On 22-Jan-18 17:05, C. Scott Ananian wrote: