No, enwp is a project where *getting*
userrights isn't meant
to be important - in the sense that userrights are not meant
to be something that puts you further up the hierarchy than
other users. That's very different from 'having additional
buttons is not a big deal'.
If someone is given rollback because, hey, an admin has
identified that they're useful and such and might benefit
from it, it's highly beneficial for them to be poked and
given a brief "so you've got this [link to rules about using
it|new button now]". Otherwise we end up with situations
where good-faith contributors get snarked for not following
rules nobody informed them they had to, or for misusing
tools they didn't necessarily understand were a privilege.
At the same time, it's nice to have an actual ping of "your
expertise has been recognised, good job".
On 27 March 2013 02:40, Isarra Yos <zhorishna(a)gmail.com
<mailto:zhorishna@gmail.com>> wrote:
User rights changes are important? I would think that
would depend entirely on the project, and mww and enwp
are two where such either at least isnt supposed to be a
big deal, or where it really isnt in practice either.
Speaking of no big deal, I wonder if I can talk someone
into making me a crat.
On 26/03/2013 18:55, Fabrice Florin wrote:
Hi TheHelpfulOne,
Thanks so much for testing Echo today, and for
reporting on your experience with user rights!
I am also experiencing problems with the user right
notification with this release, even though it worked
well for me earlier. You should be getting
notifications both when a user right is added and
removed, as outlined in this feature requirement:
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Echo/Feature_requirements#User_rights
We will investigate this issue tomorrow. Thanks for
bringing it up!
Regarding your other question about user preferences,
each notification category can be set independently, as
described here:
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Echo/Feature_requirements#Receive_Notificatio…
However, system notifications like user right changes
cannot be dismissed, because we believe they are too
important. Besides user rights, this also includes the
welcome and get started messages in this first release.
The other notification where preferences are limited
is 'talk page messages', which now can only be turned
off for email notifications, not for web notifications
(because we believe they are too important to dismiss
on the web).
Please let us know if this general plan works for you,
or if you recommend any changes. I am sure this issue
will be discussed again once we deploy on en-wiki, but
we are starting to freeze features so we can have our
first release in early April. ;o)
Cheers,
Fabrice
On Mar 26, 2013, at 5:33 PM, Thehelpfulone wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I've been playing around with Echo on
MediaWiki.org
> <http://MediaWiki.org> and noticed that in my
> preferences I can configure a number of different
> notifications. (See
>
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-echo)
>
>
> I've also tested the User Right notifications that
> were just deployed and whilst you receive an email
> when you have a user right /added /to your account,
> you don't currently get one when a user right is
> /removed /from your account.
>
> That's probably an oversight, but from what I've been
> told the option to opt out from any email
> notifications intentionally isn't available so as to
> reduce the number of preferences for users to
> configure. Another justification is that a user is
> unlikely to have their user rights changed too often,
> so email traffic should be minimal.
>
> This seems reasonable, but for future notifications,
> how are we going to decide whether something is worth
> a preference or not? I'm thinking that anything that
> technically affects your editing, e.g. a notification
> that you've been blocked or renamed (if Echo supports
> that in the future) would be something that probably
> shouldn't be opt-out-able.
>
> Can anyone think of any other notifications that
> should not be opt-out-able (or does anyone think that
> all notifications should be individually opt-out-able?)
>
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