gt;. The demo is here: <
gt;.
Pretty cool, if you ask me!
- GW
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 10:18 PM, Bart <banaticus(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Which visual editor? I thought there was no true
visual wikimedia
editor, since it would have to basically be its own server, what with
templates, etc.
Banaticus
On 20 December 2011 18:12, Asaf Bartov <abartov(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
Hi, Jan.
Thanks for sharing this! It's very valuable to see the different models
of
engagement with educators around the world. I
had been involved in some
educational outreach myself in Wikimedia Israel, and they have been
doing a
lot more of that in the past few months, and I
hope they could share
their
experiences and models (in English) soon too.
Some comments in brief about your report:
1. the GEP operated by the WMF is certainly only _one_ model, and
obviously
neither the only nor the first model to
successfully engage with
education.
It is very likely that the GEP model is not
suitable for all
geographies,
and that we don't have the resources to
engage in the GEP model
everywhere.
So it's great to collect models-that-work,
for others to learn from and
maybe try.
2. re the community's openness to technical features such as the visual
editor: it's best to start a conversation about it sooner rather than
later.
Has the visual editor been discussed at all in
the cswp community? Have
people played with the demo?
3. Do you have thoughts about how to expand work in the Czech Republic
without taking up so much of Chmee2's time? I.e. can this scale to
support,
say, 20 concurrent classes?
Once again, thanks for sharing! It would be great to find a corner to
record this more lastingly, perhaps on the Outreach wiki. Is there
anyone
on this list willing to curate this?
Cheers,
Asaf
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 1:46 AM, Juan de Vojníkov <
juandevojnikov(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> This is a cross mail to educational-l and WMCZ board.
>
> Hi folks,
>
> on December 12, 2011 seven Czech Wikipedians (mostly scollars and
> researchers) met in a tearoom in Prague, Czech Republic to disscuss
issues
> relating cooperation between Wikipedia and an
educational institutions.
At
> first some of the projects were presented and
participants had a
possibility
> to ask details about these projects. Then
broad discussion on different
> topics continued.
>
> At the time, there is one project running by the cooperation between
> Wikipedians and teacher and one project which is runnig just by teacher
> iniciative. Other ambassador x educational institution projects are in
the
> different stage of preparation (mostly
attracting teacher and training).
> There is not just interest from the side of Wikipedians to start such
> cooperation, but also teachers directly come to use Wikipedia in the
> classroom by the means of edditing it.
>
> Seemingly the most successful project, running at this time on cs.wp,
from
> which we may learn is the cooperation between
user:Chmee2[1] and a
teacher
> of ecology from the Institute for
Environmental Studies from Faculty of
> Science of the Charles University. Chmee2 was contacted at
Wikikonference
> 2010 after presenting a project aiming to
develop articles about
protected
> areas (=ecology) by a Ph.D. student, who
introduce him to the teacher.
Half
> a year later around 30 students were
instructed how to edit Wikipedia.
If
> they create NPOV, good article with
references and images, they will
recive
> a credit. User Chmee2 periodically reads
students work, repair it and
offer
> them a feedback. Thus the teacher doesn't
have extra work with that. To
the
> end of the semester students present chosen
protected area (e.g. via MS
> PowerPoint) in class. Teacher and Chmee2 give them a feedback and
together
> with the teacher and other students they give
them questions to push
them to
> think about the topic. Thus it gives students
2 values: a) they study
and
> understand the topic, b) they got variegation
in education and good
feeling
> that their work will be useful. Chmee2 says:
"The ambassador must have a
> time for such project. While in U.S. people are proud of having an
editing
> experience with Wikipedia and they can have
it in CV, in the Czech
Republic
> that is nothing special and there is a luck
of motivation. Thus
ambassadors
> are old Wikipedians themselves."
>
> So it seems, that this might be one of the models which may work in the
> environment of the Czech Republic, while to see if other ambassador like
> programs will work we have to wait some time.
>
> Thus we spent quite a lot off time in discussing the motivation factor
for
> students, teacher and/or ambassadors. It
seems in it there would be a
need
> of some credit system supporting ambassadors
and/or teacher to become a
> valuable part of such cooperation. But this encounter legal issue of
schools
> – you have to negotiate it with school
functionaries. User:Hawkzn
things it
> might be possible, while User:JirkaDI sees it
like structural problem.
>
> Other "problems" comes when newbies coming to the Czech Wikipedia. There
> is a luck of mentors for them and they have to face both technical
> (wikisyntax, templates, standards) and social problems (unpleasant
users,
> lack of social interaction, just templates on
their discussion page).
Thus
> we have agreed to focus on setting up some
features from en.wp such
gadget
> Cite[2] or Wikilove. At this time
User:Vojtech.dostal comes up with the
> information that Wikimedia Foundation's (WMF) developers is close to
WYSIWYG
> editor for Wikipedia, but user Chmee2 is
afraid that most of the good
tools
> from WMF might be reject by the local
community.
>
> The group is not just aware how to motivate more people to get into the
> cooperation and how to create friendlier environment for newcomers, but
also
> comes up with questions how to communicate an
offer to a teacher to
start
> participate and how to motivate her/him to
start up with the project.
Thus
> participants will share their experience via
Wikipedia on WikiProject
> EDU.[3]
>
> Finally could be assumed that this first meeting and hopefully not last,
> come up with a lot of answers and positive mood to continue with such
work
> and overstep problems which will come up.
There is a common will to
continue
> in such work. Participants understand they
should be slow in getting
more
> work and work together, but as every
participant has some amount of
internal
> pride, they will probably work separately
developing and testing new
models.
> Some of them call to go to younger leaners
(high school, elementary),
others
> disagree and call to join seniors (via
lifelong learning courses).
>
> If you understand Czech you can joint us via Ambassadors's page[4] and
see
--
Asaf Bartov
Wikimedia Foundation
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