This is a cross mail to educational-l and WMCZ board.

Hi folks,

on December 12, 2011 seven Czech Wikipedians (mostly scollars and researchers) met in a tearoom in Prague, Czech Republic to disscuss issues relating cooperation between Wikipedia and an educational institutions. At first some of the projects were presented and participants had a possibility to ask details about these projects. Then broad discussion on different topics continued.

At the time, there is one project running by the cooperation between Wikipedians and teacher and one project which is runnig just by teacher iniciative. Other ambassador x educational institution projects are in the different stage of preparation (mostly attracting teacher and training). There is not just interest from the side of Wikipedians to start such cooperation, but also teachers directly come to use Wikipedia in the classroom by the means of edditing it.

Seemingly the most successful project, running at this time on cs.wp, from which we may learn is the cooperation between user:Chmee2[1] and a teacher of ecology from the Institute for Environmental Studies from Faculty of Science of the Charles University. Chmee2 was contacted at Wikikonference 2010 after presenting a project aiming to develop articles about protected areas (=ecology) by a Ph.D. student, who introduce him to the teacher. Half a year later around 30 students were instructed how to edit Wikipedia. If they create NPOV, good article with references and images, they will recive a credit. User Chmee2 periodically reads students work, repair it and offer them a feedback. Thus the teacher doesn't have extra work with that. To the end of the semester students present chosen protected area (e.g. via MS PowerPoint) in class. Teacher and Chmee2 give them a feedback and together with the teacher and other students they give them questions to push them to think about the topic. Thus it gives students 2 values: a) they study and understand the topic, b) they got variegation in education and good feeling that their work will be useful. Chmee2 says: "The ambassador must have a time for such project. While in U.S. people are proud of having an editing experience with Wikipedia and they can have it in CV, in the Czech Republic that is nothing special and there is a luck of motivation. Thus ambassadors are old Wikipedians themselves."

So it seems, that this might be one of the models which may work in the environment of the Czech Republic, while to see if other ambassador like programs will work we have to wait some time.

Thus we spent quite a lot off time in discussing the motivation factor for students, teacher and/or ambassadors. It seems in it there would be a need of some credit system supporting ambassadors and/or teacher to become a valuable part of such cooperation. But this encounter legal issue of schools – you have to negotiate it with school functionaries. User:Hawkzn things it might be possible, while User:JirkaDI sees it like structural problem.

Other "problems" comes when newbies coming to the Czech Wikipedia. There is a luck of mentors for them and they have to face both technical (wikisyntax, templates, standards) and social problems (unpleasant users, lack of social interaction, just templates on their discussion page). Thus we have agreed to focus on setting up some features from en.wp such gadget Cite[2] or Wikilove. At this time User:Vojtech.dostal comes up with the information that Wikimedia Foundation's (WMF) developers is close to WYSIWYG editor for Wikipedia, but user Chmee2 is afraid that most of the good tools from WMF might be reject by the local community.

The group is not just aware how to motivate more people to get into the cooperation and how to create friendlier environment for newcomers, but also comes up with questions how to communicate an offer to a teacher to start participate and how to motivate her/him to start up with the project. Thus participants will share their experience via Wikipedia on WikiProject EDU.[3]

Finally could be assumed that this first meeting and hopefully not last, come up with a lot of answers and positive mood to continue with such work and overstep problems which will come up. There is a common will to continue in such work. Participants understand they should be slow in getting more work and work together, but as every participant has some amount of internal pride, they will probably work separately developing and testing new models. Some of them call to go to younger leaners (high school, elementary), others disagree and call to join seniors (via lifelong learning courses).

If you understand Czech you can joint us via Ambassadors's page[4] and see there also our projects and their state.

Best regards,
Juandev
Chmee2

[1] http://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedista:Chmee2
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_expander
[3] http://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedie:WikiProjekt_EDU
[4] http://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedie:Ambasadorstv%C3%AD

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