I believe that this sort of discussion would be more useful on a wiki talk
page (outreach?) rather than "locked up" in a listserv. Just my 2c, of
course. :-)
Happy holidays y'all!
Toni
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On 16 December 2014 at 19:24, Leigh Thelmadatter <osamadre(a)hotmail.com>
wrote:
Thanks for your input Alhen!
I understand the biblio's point of view in that teachers should have have
a minimum amount of wiki experience before assigning stuff to their
students. I have been pushing this to my department and above. For this
reason we have been holding lots of training sessions since last summer and
just had two last week with the participation 15 or so. This gives teachers
a good start in of what Wikipedia is about, but it does not generate a
large number of teacher edits right away. One thing we have changed is that
teachers must upload an article to complete training, generally a
translation. You can see this in the course up right now in the tool
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_Program:Tec_de_Monterrey,_Campus_Ci…
On the other hand, I finally got admin interested in Wiki enough to back
our program (called Wiki Learning), an incredibly important step as it
makes teachers take the idea more seriously. So Im trying to balance
es.wiki's needs along with the my school's (and the Ed Program's) desire to
expand working with Wikipedia among students. While teachers will not be
anywhere near as experienced as I am (or as my fellow project leaders
Paolaricaurte and Lourdes Epstein), they do understand the very basics and
have the support of experienced students working with Wiki in other
capacities (servicio social, becarios, etc) to as in a capacity similar to
Campus Ambassadors. As project leader for Wiki Learning, I am responsible
for monitoring the teachers, as well as training people to eventually take
over that capacity at campuses outside my own.
If the biblios decide not to grant the tool, I simply means that I will be
creating the classes and depending on what teachers decide (es.wiki or
Commons) that can be 40 or more classes. In some ways, it is easier. I can
create the classes using systematic names but it will be hell for me for
the first week or so. (We never 100% know which classes we have until the
first week of the semester, go figure.) Well not quite me alone
as Jmvkrecords has already indicated that he will give it to Paolaricaurte.
These are major growing pains and granted, a GOOD (as well as unexpected)
problem to have.
Leigh
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From: alhen.wiki(a)gmail.com
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 14:22:40 -0400
To: education(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Education] denied access to course extension
I participated on such discussion about whether to give course coordinator
flag to the teachers.
The general idea is that they will need someone monitoring their work.
Eswiki, as many others I guess, has a long history of students and teachers
using the wiki without reading the policies. That said, I understand why
they want to take the process as slow as possible. Please, don't take it
personal.
I recommend you get a biblio(sysop) involved so he can back you up and
help you control the whole projecta and edits. I see the main problem here
is that many users will come to edit on es.wiki with little or no
experience, and the course coordinator will have the same experience of
those who are participating for the first time. Feel free to correct me if
I am missing anything.
Alhen
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On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 1:03 PM, Leigh Thelmadatter <osamadre(a)hotmail.com>
wrote:
Ive been told that they are placing the same requirements on the course
coordinator flag as they do on all others.. a certain amount of online
history with es.wiki. I have made the arguments that you suggest Samir and
User:Jmvkrecords has said he will discuss it with other admins
(bibliotecarios), but he has stated that the community has the final say.
Question: why is this tool separated under the various language projects?
First, this limits the monitoring/documenting to a single language (if
students do projects in en.wiki and es.wiki, there needs to be two
extensions) and who needs the tool is very different from the others. Why
dont we have one course extension that can scrape the data from whatever
project students are working on?
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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 18:41:10 +0200
From: selsharbaty(a)wikimedia.org
To: education(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Education] denied access to course extension
Hi Leigh,
To help with your question may I ask you first if there is a local policy
for the use of the education extension user rights on the Spanish Wikipedia?
If there is a policy that supports the admin's reply, then unfortunately
there will be nothing to do with that.
If the answer is no, then you can reapply on the same page or separately
on other adimns talk pages relying on many factors:
1. The ed extension user rights help only with ed program pages and don't
give any special rights on the article name space.
2. The use of the ed extension is to help the coordinators and volunteers
of the program even if they don't have any edits on Wikipedia.
3. On Wikipedia in other languages, admins don't, usually, apply such
requirements on ed user rights. (Please note that the policies of each wiki
community may vary from another and they are the only authority on their
policies and its application)
I hope this helps with your issue.
Cheers,
Samir Elsharbaty
Communications Intern, Wikipedia Education Program
Wikimedia Foundation
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On 15 Dec 2014 19:46, "Federico Leva (Nemo)" <nemowiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Leigh Thelmadatter, 13/12/2014 03:34:
Basically the answer is no. They have to have editing experience and
show that they at least have the ability to speak Spanish and show they
can be good course coordinators.
Did you try asking some more admins (on their talk page) to chime in?
Often such request pages are only watched by a small "specialised" group.
Nemo
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