Your right, There's probably not going to be any technical enhancements anytime soon. So basically what of this can be implemented without software changes? for the make I'm on another wiki messages standardized you could do: A redirection template, could be included in the editintro for all new user pages (i think its something like mediawiki:userpageintro ). something along the lines of: just writing here, to go to other wikis to talk to you? please just use <charinsert>{{redirMessage|wikiquote:fr:user:foo}}</charinsert>. This way its in a standardized format, and if someone comes along to make a bot to copy *important* messages over there, it'd make it way easier for them. -bawolff On 11/11/06, Brianna Laugher &lt;brianna.laugher(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

Anthony wrote: Woops, probably should have done it along with meta. On now. -- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com / brion @ wikimedia.org)

On 12/11/06, Florian Straub &lt;flominator(a)gmx.net&gt; wrote: Thanks, Brion. Specifically, could we require that new registered users must have a confirmed email address before uploading? With talk page email notifications as default setting. Brianna

Brion Vibber wrote: (I should clarify that I think it's a good idea, personally. But I would not feel comfortable implementing that policy without both community agreement and approval from upstairs for the ground rules changing dramatically.) -- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)

On 11/13/06, Florian Straub &lt;flominator(a)gmx.net&gt; wrote: I'm not seeing any oposition. -- geni

"Brion Vibber" &lt;brion(a)pobox.com&gt; wrote On Tuesday, November 14, 2006 1:24 AM She wasn't setting wikimedia-wide policies, she just mentioned her opinion.. But it's at least a small tendency. What about casting a vote for this, then we'll see what the rest of us thinks. Best regards, Flo

Brion Vibber wrote: Anonymous text with the release "I wrote this" is one thing. Anonymous images are another. -- Alphax - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Alphax Contributor to Wikipedia, the Free Encyclopedia "We make the internet not suck" - Jimbo Wales Public key: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Alphax/OpenPGP

On 11/13/06, Brianna Laugher &lt;brianna.laugher(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: I oppose this on Commons, for the reasons I have given in this thread when this was previously brought up: http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikipedia-l/2006-June/044555.html -- Peace & Love, Erik Member, Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees DISCLAIMER: Unless otherwise stated, all views or opinions expressed in this message are solely my own and do not represent an official position of the Wikimedia Foundation or its Board of Trustees.

On 14/11/06, Alphax (Wikipedia email) &lt;alphasigmax(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: Yes, Commons = Wikipedia + Wikinews + Wikibooks + Wikisource + Wiktionary + Wikispecies + Wikiversity + Meta + ... Let's just be clear that this is a decision that will potentially affect the entire Wikimedia community and therefore their opinions are of the utmost importance and relevance... (...and perhaps we can make the pertinent point, without whining too much, which led some people to consider this option: overwhelming copyvios and underwhelming supply of labour.) Brianna

David Gerard wrote: We've had an administrator's noticeboard for a while now; all you need to do is ask. I don't know who made that other comment. Ahh, but people from other projects want it both ways too: you want our images but jump up and down when we delete them. Yes, we need people from other projects, mainly for language diversity. We've currently got ONE applicant. -- Alphax - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Alphax Contributor to Wikipedia, the Free Encyclopedia "We make the internet not suck" - Jimbo Wales Public key: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Alphax/OpenPGP

Let's stop bitching at each other and start being more constructive, could we? Commons is the way to go and it saves a lot of work on and distraction from other wiki's main goals. It's image policies are great - only _free_ media in the broadest sense of the word. The admins do great work and yes, we could use more of them. How can we archieve that? Getting people inexperienced with image maintenance as admins on Commons is not a good idea. Requiring only a few hundred edits and a few months of activity is rather normal for admin bits on any Wikimedia wiki. There is absolutely no reason to dispute it. Challenges are in the volume of the content and the diversity of the languages. If _you_ want to help, make the admins that do a lot of image maintenance on your local wiki aware of the challenges Commons has and get them to chip in. If possible, change your wiki policy so that it's image policy will start to be equal to that of Commons, so that ultimately, it will be _the_ central image repository aiding the creation of great free encyclopedias, free books, free source material, free and illustrated taxonomies and much more. In short: "Imagine a world in which every single person is given free access to the sum of all human knowledge. That's what we're doing." [1] Do not forget the higher goals and build bikesheds [2] that distract us from it. Cheers! Siebrand [1] http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Home [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bikeshed -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: commons-l-bounces(a)wikimedia.org [mailto:commons-l-bounces@wikimedia.org] Namens geni Verzonden: dinsdag 14 november 2006 13:33 Aan: Wikimedia Commons Discussion List Onderwerp: Re: [Commons-l] Principles of organisation - who do we serve? <snip> Not really. If en.pedia stoped switching images over to commons and copied the ones we use back to en.pedia we could walk away from you in less than a month. <snip> -- geni _______________________________________________ Commons-l mailing list Commons-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l

geni wrote: We don't have to worry about as much vandalism or what we're saying about people. Or border disputes. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Image_classification_system should keep you busy then. -- Alphax - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Alphax Contributor to Wikipedia, the Free Encyclopedia "We make the internet not suck" - Jimbo Wales Public key: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Alphax/OpenPGP

On 11/14/06, Samuli Lintula &lt;samuli(a)samulilintula.net&gt; wrote: You want experenced and active admins. Something everyone is short of to do non admin maintenance tasks includeing adding welcome templates? This does not seem to be a reasonable use of rescourses. I know other porjects with more relaxed standards. We are not however looking at candidates with nor previous background You need people who can speak spanish. You need admins with image experence who can speak spanish. The only place you can get them quickly is from the spanish wikipedia. Rather than haveing them make 200 edits which are less critial it would be mnore effective to provide links to crash courses in commons adminship policy and then basicaly rubber stamp their aplications. -- geni

On 11/14/06, David Gerard &lt;dgerard(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: Except that people on es: will knock down admin requests for admins coming from commons, no matter how experienced, since "admiship is not granted by osmosis from other wikis", and you got to work a nice editcount (circa 3000 edits for what I've gathered) and being involved on the community noticeboard discussions http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Candidaturas_a_bibliotecario/Drini I''m not doing bad, but the percentage of opposes for the reasons above concerns me a bit (let be recalled that es: has a culture of "voting" for many things like adminship, deletions, etc (blank voting for anybody over100 edits, no discussion in order to reach for consensus))

geni wrote: <snip> Admin != knowledgable about copyright. We learnt that on enwiki. -- Alphax - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Alphax Contributor to Wikipedia, the Free Encyclopedia "We make the internet not suck" - Jimbo Wales Public key: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Alphax/OpenPGP

Bots add welcome templates. People check that new users make their uploads properly (licenses, information, categories). 80 % on new users do it wrong. 80 % of "bad images" come from new users. -- Ystävällisin terveisin, Samuli Lintula

On 14/11/06, Brianna Laugher &lt;brianna.laugher(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: I'm describing the apparent attitude of many Commons habitues. - d.

On 11/14/06, Erik Moeller &lt;erik(a)wikimedia.org&gt; wrote: But does the fact that some wikis are now disabling local upload change the rules at all? If no, then I suppose we can go on being harsh... but will we always have to endure David telling us that we are a failure because we've decided to be harsh? :) I agree. SUL will reduce this barrier substantially. I expect with SUL a user which confirms their email on any wiki where they have an account will have a confirmed email once they arrive at commons. Would you consider the confirmed email requirement to be more acceptable once SUL is implemented? There is a lot of pressure on commons to not 'simply delete' except in the most obvious cases, even more than I felt on enwiki... because on commons the media is often used on dozens of Wikis and multiple languages create communications barriers. None single person on commons us speaks all the languages we serve. I've agreed with these proposals for a copyright quiz ... but it's not there. Do we need to make a push to complete these? What is in the way?