I know that, but that hardly changes the core goal of WP from being to build an online encyclopedia. EN.wp is hugely successful without doing that. I doubt it is in most editors' minds as the point of the exercise. They just want to improve a fish article with a drawing of that fish (etc). Ensuring maximum reuse rights for everyone else is not at the top of their priority list. Brianna -- "Mathematicians do it with Nobel's wife."

2006/4/3, Brianna Laugher <brianna.laugher(a)gmail.com>om>: NC and ND are clearly incompatible with GNU/FDL. CC-BY-SA on the other hand is incompatible on a technical level only. That is, the rules specify that one cannot cross-license, but the spirit of both licenses is equal. Allowing CC-BY-SA is only a small step from requiring everything to be GNU/FDL. Allowing NC or ND is a much larger step, and we could not reasonably consider an article as a whole to be GFDL if there are such images in it. -- Andre Engels, andreengels(a)gmail.com ICQ: 6260644 -- Skype: a_engels

Brianna Laugher wrote: One of the things we want to do is empower broad competitive distribution of our work at low cost. When we have a license which is compatible with commercial redistribution, we empower small scale (or large scale) entrepreneurs to competitively print (or burn onto CD) our work for sale to people who can afford the costs of distribution, but who can not afford the costs of proprietary content. At the same time, we also do nothing thereby to stand in the way of people acting charitably to distribute the same thing for free as in beer. Noncommercial licenses are deeply flawed as a way to help the poor. --Jimbo -- ####################################################################### # Office: 1-727-231-0101 | Free Culture and Free Knowledge # # http://www.wikipedia.org | Building a free world # #######################################################################

Erik Moeller wrote: Yes, but I think what Brianna meant about it sounding weak is that for many contributors, the idea that we might sell DVDs to make money is not by itself particularly compelling. -- ####################################################################### # Office: 1-727-231-0101 | Free Culture and Free Knowledge # # http://www.wikipedia.org | Building a free world # #######################################################################

If I understand correctly, every mirror that uses ads (like http://pedia.walla.co.il for he) is commercial usage, so NC/ND is not practical even now... Nadav ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Benbennick" <dbenbenn(a)gmail.com> To: "Wikimedia Commons Discussion List" <commons-l(a)wikimedia.org> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [Commons-l] justifying the "no NC/ND" requirement