[Wikipedia-l] "censorship" On Wikipedia

Sun Jan 30 02:15:16 UTC 2005

I believe this mail belongs at enwiki-l.

Mark

On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:06:30 -0500, harry <harrypasternak at sympatico.ca> wrote:
> Without Prejudice
> 
> I attempted to post info on Wikipedia on the HIV=AIDS controversy - at
> first my post was censored - then totally remove!
> 
> What I posted was info from  Dr. Kary Mullis, a biochemist who was
> awarded the Nobel Prize For Chemistry - he invented the polymerase
> chain reaction (PCR), a central technique in molecular biology which
> allows the amplification of specified DNA sequences. I wonder how many
> inventions or Nobel Prizes the Wilkipedia censor(s) have?
> 
> Dr. Kary Mullis states that there is not one scientific study published
> in a scholarly journal with peer review the shows that "HIV is the
> probable cause of AIDS" (notice PROBABLE). In Mullis book 'Dancing
> Naked In The Mind Field" - Mullis states:
> 
> "I was going to a lot of meetings and conferences as part of my job. I
> got in the habit of approaching anyone who gave a talk about AIDS and
> asking him or her what reference I should quote for that increasingly
> problematic statement, "HIV is the probable cause of AIDS."
> After ten or fifteen meetings over a couple of years, I was getting
> pretty upset when no one could site the reference. I didn't like the
> ugly conclusion that was forming in my mind: The entire campaign
> against a disease increasingly regarded as a twentieth- century Black
> Plague was based on a hypothesis whose origins no one could recall.
> That defied both scientific and common sense.
> 
> "Finally I had an opportunity to question one of the giants in HIV and
> AIDS research, Dr. Luc Montagnier of the Pasteur Institute, when he
> gave a talk in San Diego. It would be the last time I would be able to
> ask my little question without showing anger, and I figured Montagnier
> would know the answer. So I asked him.
> With a look of condescending puzzlement, Montagnier said, "Why don't
> you quote the report from the Centers for Disease Control?"
> I replied, "It doesn't really address the issue of whether or not HIV
> is the probable cause of AIDS does it?"
> "No," he admitted, no doubt wondering when I would just go away. He
> looked for support to the little circle of people around him, but they
> were all awaiting a  more definitive response, like I was.
> "Why don't you quote the work on SIV [Simian Immunodeficiency Virus]?"
> the good doctor offered.
> "I read that too, Dr. Montagnier," I responded. "What happened to those
> monkeys didn't remind me of AIDS. Besides, that paper was just
> published only a couple of months ago. I'm looking for the original
> paper where somebody showed that HIV caused AIDS."
> This time, Dr. Montagnier's response was to walk quickly away to greet
> an acquaintance across the room. "
> 
> First of all, can your censors give me a reference to one (just one)
> scientific study published in a scholarly journal with peer review the
> shows that "HIV is the probable cause of AIDS"? If they can't, then all
> of the dis-information on HIV=AIDS needs to removed from Wikipedia.
> 
> At the same time - your censors stated that Mullis's views on HIV+AIDS,
> is in the minority (that most scientists believe that HIV is the
> probable cause of AIDS) - again can I see the statistical reference -
> that is, a scientific study published in a scholarly journal with peer
> review  to that claim?
> 
> I am interesting in sponsoring a live audio debate (in aacPlus codec)
> on the WWW - with Dr. Kary Mullis and anyone one of Wikipedia
> "censors" or so-called "experts" on HIV=AIDS, I am sure that we would
> have thousands of listeners (from readers of Wikipedia and other news
> sources) - what date and time would "you" prefer for this debate so
> that I can finalize arrangements with Dr. Mullis.
> 
> - Harry Pasternak
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