[Wikinews-l] Hello, all of you

Wed Apr 6 12:06:19 UTC 2005

--- "jacques.divol" <jacques.divol at laposte.net> wrote:
> 
> Le 6 avr. 05, à 09:58, Anthere a écrit :
> 
> >
> > --- "jacques.divol" <jacques.divol at laposte.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> i'll try to check and untie the knots, its ....
> >> weird the way people
> >> had act on the matter wikipedia vs wikinews.
> >>
> >>
> >> Many french feel very upsets of being forced to
> >> accept wikinews from
> >> 'foreigners', with rules and ways of making the
> >> stuff not very
> >> familliars to them.  (it's their feeling)
> >>
> >> Sad.
> >>
> >> but I understand very well their point of view on
> >> the mater.
> >>
> >> many thinks that wikinews is outside wikipedia
> "way
> >> of life" so reject
> >> the project (no editor freedom,...)
> >>
> >> They forget that If the creator of wikinews, the
> >> living WIKI God
> >> himself, said something about the way people may
> >> write articles, may
> >> use a workflow or templates and so on, it's just
> >> ideas, draft
> >> framework, draft blue print, ... it's not LAW,
> it's
> >> just a ... 'what do
> >> you think of that' .
> >>
> >> i think, am I wrong Erik ???
> >> don't think
> >>
> >> I think that polish, french, spanish, italian,
> ...
> >> wikinews DONT HAVE
> >> TO FOLLOW editorial way from ENGLISH or GERMAN
> >> editions.
> >>   -They could find they own ways,
> >>
> >> MORE I think that wikinews DONT HAVE TO FOLLOW
> >> editorial way from
> >> Professional NewsWriters, journalists.
> >>   -They could find they own ways.
> >
> > I entirely agree with you Jacques.
> >
> > However, when you claim that neutrality is not a
> > universal concept, is purely an american concept,
> > should not influence the way of writing in a
> french
> > speaking website. And that lastly, the current
> NPOV
> > might even be illegal in France... Sorry, but I
> find
> > this a bit worrying.
> >
> > While there are rules which should absolutely be
> > local, other principles should not. I am currently
> a
> > bit perplex.
> >
> > Ant
> >
> 
> 
> Thanks Ant,
> 
> -Yes I claim, read some Jack Vance, Ursula Le Guin
> (...) Sci-Fi books, 
> you'll understand that Universality Concept is not
> Universal at all, 
> it's a concept no more.

I disagree. The concept of neutrality first come from
people and how they are 1) able to perceive what is
happening around them, 2) adopt an attitude which
makes them able to distinguish a fact from an opinion
and 3) be able to report facts as facts and opinions
as opinions; it is totally unrelated to a country or
to a nationality. 

> -yes, NPOV is not so legal in France, but don't
> worry.

I do not worry about this. Wikinews is not a french
project from France. It is not written by french from
France, for french from France; It is a project in
french language.

> -Each one is responsible in France (more or less ok)

As long as we stick to the current neutrality rules, I
doubt much our government would ever dare declaring us
illegal.

> For example : Nazi party is ILLEGAL in France, as
> well supporting this 
> kind of ideas, its not the case in the USA (first
> Amendment), and so 
> on...

You have not understood what neutrality is about I
think. Neutrality is not supporting the Nazi party, it
is not supporting this kind of idea, neutrality is
just saying what the Nazi party is (or was), what the
Nazi party plateform was, to explain who is a
supporter this party, who is involved in this party,
how, and if necessary, to cite some of the words said
by someone belonging to this party.

I think none of this is illegal in France. It is
illegal to promote these ideas, but it is not
forbidden to talk about it in an unbaised way.

In comparison (since it was mentionned that french
Wikinews could be similar to Indymedia), Indymedia
supports certain ideas. I do not think Wikinews should
do that.

> The worst in fact in france is about  copyright and
> the stuff author 
> rights... , but you already know i hope
> It's a problem for all wiki sub-domain: so for
> wikinews:fr it is states 
> that all the writing is PUBLIC DOMAIN.

This is absolutely NOT the reason why fr wikinews is
currently in public domain.

> ... other wise you need a contract, something writen
> that the author 
> leave all his (her) rights upon the 'work'.

There is somehow such a contract with wikipedians, who
agree to release their work under a free licence. It
does not mean they leave ALL their rights.

Under public domain, they do.

> (it's complexe when money(or possible virtual futur
> value) is involved 
> . you know what I mean, could kill
> friendship,familly and love...),

Frankly, no, I do not see what it is killing.

> french government wants it's share too...(taxes,...)
> and when it's FREE 
> no  taxes !

Sorry, but this does not make much sense to me. Could
you elaborate ?

> jacques
> 
> sorry for my free way of writing, I am not so easy
> in English ((ok best 
> than most french people)
> and it's hell when i speak !
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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