[WikiEN-l] Verifiability equating to notability

Tue May 2 08:05:05 UTC 2006

>[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of PS2 DVD9
Games]]

How sad. Lots of votes to delete. And none of them presenting
a cogent argument. Uses of the word "-cruft" as some sort of excuse 
to avoid having to do so.

The one user who presents an argument is the one who created
the list, and you play the man not the ball by arguing about the
few edits he has in the Wikipedia: namespace. He has few edits
there because he spends his time trying to create content!

Pete

p.s. The information should be merged into the broader list of games.

----- Original Message ----
From: Joe Anderson <computerjoe.mailinglist at googlemail.com>
To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l at wikipedia.org>
Sent: Tuesday, 2 May, 2006 8:04:36 AM
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Verifiability equating to notability

When I'm using the term listcruft it is not intended to offend the
author. Look at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of PS2 DVD9
Games]].

On 5/1/06, Sam Pointon <free.condiments at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 01/05/06, Steve Bennett <stevage at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 01/05/06, Matt Brown <morven at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On *fD, <foo>cruft is shorthand for 'articles about <foo> that are
> > > below my personal notability threshold'.  Thus its application is
> > > generally tautological and only serves to denigrate the subject
> > > matter.
> >
> > And/or discredit the person using the term. It really is a pretty
> > offensive term, but I don't know if most people using it realise that.
>
> Some people use 'cruft' (me, for example) in the original sense - it's
> the word for that dust and fluff you pull out from under furniture. It
> is, outside of Wikipedia, most commonly applied to badly written and
> messy programming. Back in Wiki context, the term (when used in this
> sense, at least) makes no assertion of notability, but rather suggests
> that the article is in need of a major rewrite and/or cleanup.
>
> So 'listcruft' implies a poorly-written list, probably in need of a
> loving Wikipedian to take it in and foster it back to full health.
> However, some 'cruft' is beyond redemption, and the best remedy for
> that is a brand new stub to take its place.
>
> Can you tell I don't regularly take part in AfDs?
>
> --Sam
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