Resid, [[WP:OURS]] was speedy deleted because it fell under
[[WP:CSD#General_criteria]] (general criteria 5), which states as a valid
reason for speedy deletion : "Pages created by banned
they were
banned <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Banning_policy>." You are a
BANNED user. Raphael Wegmann [[User:Raphael1]] acting as a proxy for you
created the page [[Wikipedia:OURS]] in direct correspondance with this
proposal you made on this mailing list (WP:OURS). The copy of Wikiethics
stored on the user space previously accorded you was deleted because despite
your banned status you were editing it via anonymous IPs starting with
216.xx.xx (as mentioned in the RFCU confirming your usage of such IPs and
sockpuppets
).
Due to your repetitive demonstrations of highly disruptive conduct on both
the English and Turkish Wikipedias (
)
and your insistence on trying to create policy on Wikipedia despite
your
permanently blocked status, I suspect that you will soon be blocked from
even contributing to this mailing list (and rightly so).
-Scott Stevenson [[User:Netscott]]
On 6/6/06, Resid Gulerdem <resid_gulerdem(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Raphael Wegmann <raphael(a)psi.co.at>
Reply-To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l(a)Wikipedia.org>
To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l(a)Wikipedia.org>
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] To: Jimmy Wales -
Admin-driven death of Wikipedia
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 17:49:21 +0200
Jimmy Wales wrote:
> Resid Gulerdem wrote:
>> The admins are only part of the community now
and
>> will stay like that in the future, as
far as I
can
>> see. Are some modifications needed in
your
opinion? I
>> believe the answer is yes. I do not know
if you
could
>> see the proposal [[WP:OURS]] I posted on
this
list
>> recently. I think it can be useful and
can be
>> developed further. I tried to outline some
important
>> points which may reduce the conflicts
between the
>> admins and the users. If you saw it, do you think
it
>> is feasible?
>
> I see no reference to WP:OURS in google, so I am
unable to comment. Can
you send
it to me?
I've just created the proposed policy on
[[Wikipedia:OURS]].
--
Raphael
Mr. Wales,
I was wondering if you could review the proposal
[[WP:OURS]] and [[WP:ETH]]?
I would like to know also if you are aware of the
discussion and weird admin actions going around this
proposals recently:
Right after I posted the proposal [[WP:OURS]] to this
mailing list (it includes a link to the updated
version of the proposal [[Wikipedia:Wikiethics]] on my
old user page [[User:Rgulerdem\Wikiethics]]) someone
deleted that page immediately:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:DRV#User:Rgulerdem.2FWikiethics
An editor [[User:Raphael]] decided to have a copy of
the updated version of [[Wikipedia:Wikiethics]] from
my old user page to improve it further. It is also
deleted right away. Lots of wikilawyering and
insincerity going around:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:DRV#User:Raphael1.2FWikiethics
He further formulated his version of the proposal
[[WP:OURS]] after modifications, rewording, and some
improvements on the main space. It is deleted too
right after created without a single word on its
talk page. I cannot provide a link for this because
even the 'deletion discussion page' is deleted.
I hope now it is clear what may 'admin-driven death of
Wikipedia' mean. With this structure and functioning
it is not possible to have a health product in my
opinion. As Wikipedia gets bigger one may expect this
admin problem become more apparent and frustrating.
Please note that on purely technical issues the
problems are smaller than the ones on the
controversial issues. Many (not all) of the
admins as far as I can see are some college kids
mostly sitting around a computer. As a result
Wikipedia is evolving very fast towards an online
forum or clubhouse with an heavy ideologic bigotry
and a tone on social issues determined by the
instincts of some computer operators and programmers
playing encyclopedist. This does not make the
Wikipedia a reliable source of information. Lynching
editors according to their background that their names
may imply does not bring any honor to Wikipedia.
I would appreciate if you could give some feedback
about these concerns. Please again consider those as
friendly and sincere concerns from a user who likes
the Wikipedia be successful. I am just pointing out
the danger which will get Wikipedia down tomorrow
if not today. I have some further ideas similar to
[[WP:Wikiethics]] and [[WP:OURS]] towards constructing
a better structure but an administrative will is
necessary to be able to implement that. Your
comments will result in either continuation or end of
my Wiki experience.
Best,
Resid
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