[WikiEN-l] [[WP:OURS]] - A proposal for admin-user relations

Tue Jun 6 10:25:30 UTC 2006

>From: Raphael Wegmann <raphael at psi.co.at>
>Reply-To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l at Wikipedia.org>
>To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l at Wikipedia.org>
>Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] To: Jimmy Wales -
Admin-driven death of Wikipedia
>Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 17:49:21 +0200
>
>Jimmy Wales wrote:
> > Resid Gulerdem wrote:
> >>    The admins are only part of the community now
and
> >> will stay like that in the future, as far as I
can
> >> see. Are some modifications needed in your
opinion? I
> >> believe the answer is yes. I do not know if you
could
> >> see the proposal [[WP:OURS]] I posted on this
list
> >> recently. I think it can be useful and can be
> >> developed further. I tried to outline some
important
> >> points which may reduce the conflicts between the
> >> admins and the users. If you saw it, do you think
it
> >> is feasible?
> >
> > I see no reference to WP:OURS in google, so I am
unable to comment.  Can
> > you send it to me?
> >
>
>I've just created the proposed policy on
[[Wikipedia:OURS]].
>
>--
>Raphael
>

Mr. Wales,

I was wondering if you could review the proposal
[[WP:OURS]] and [[WP:ETH]]?

I would like to know also if you are aware of the
discussion and weird admin actions going around this
proposals recently:

Right after I posted the proposal [[WP:OURS]] to this
mailing list (it includes a link to the updated
version of the proposal [[Wikipedia:Wikiethics]] on my
old user page [[User:Rgulerdem\Wikiethics]]) someone
deleted that page immediately:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:DRV#User:Rgulerdem.2FWikiethics

An editor [[User:Raphael]] decided to have a copy of
the updated version of [[Wikipedia:Wikiethics]] from
my old user page to improve it further. It is also
deleted right away. Lots of wikilawyering and
insincerity going around:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:DRV#User:Raphael1.2FWikiethics

He further formulated his version of the proposal
[[WP:OURS]] after modifications, rewording, and some
improvements on the main space. It is deleted too
right after created without a single word on its
talk page. I cannot provide a link for this because
even the 'deletion discussion page' is deleted.

I hope now it is clear what may 'admin-driven death of
Wikipedia' mean. With this structure and functioning
it is not possible to have a health product in my
opinion. As Wikipedia gets bigger one may expect this
admin problem become more apparent and frustrating.

Please note that on purely technical issues the
problems are smaller than the ones on the
controversial issues. Many (not all) of the
admins as far as I can see are some college kids
mostly sitting around a computer. As a result
Wikipedia is evolving very fast towards an online
forum or clubhouse with an heavy ideologic bigotry
and a tone on social issues determined by the
instincts of some computer operators and programmers
playing encyclopedist. This does not make the
Wikipedia a reliable source of information. Lynching
editors according to their background that their names
may imply does not bring any honor to Wikipedia.

I would appreciate if you could give some feedback
about these concerns. Please again consider those as
friendly and sincere concerns from a user who likes
the Wikipedia be successful. I am just pointing out
the danger which will get Wikipedia down tomorrow
if not today. I have some further ideas similar to
[[WP:Wikiethics]] and [[WP:OURS]] towards constructing
a better structure but an administrative will is
necessary to be able to implement that. Your
comments will result in either continuation or end of
my Wiki experience.

Best,

Resid

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