[WikiEN-l] 3RR, a proposed update

Sat Jan 21 13:54:09 UTC 2006

It's a nice idea, but what about people who repeatedly break the 3RR or do
it on more than one page. Those deserve to be blocked without a chance to
get unblocked and continue.

Anyone with a single offense should be able to discuss things with the
blocking admin after which the this admin can decide the review their
action. Only after such discussion has no effect should someone take it to
the list.

If someone makes a promise to an admin personally the admin knows about it
and can make sure the promise is uphold. If any block gets a button, there's
no way the now unblocked people can be kept in line.

Mgm

On 1/20/06, Jonathan <dzonatas at dzonux.net> wrote:
>
> In response to an earlier message I sent, "Cleared as filed" and me,
> Dzonatas, have discussed the issue somewhat. I've been unblocked early.
> There is a concern I still have that isn't directed at "Cleared as filed."
>
> I wrote the previous mail in haste, obviously. I only had a couple
> minutes to spare and wanted to take advantage of time that the block
> started.
>
> The 3RR policy is valid. By pragmatic review, not every admin blocks
> under the same conditions. This gives the effect of favoritism, either
> personal or political.
>
> I have many thought over many ideas in prevention, but I'll give just
> one that is do-able.
>
> If a user is under blocked under 3RR, allow a button to appear under the
> users page that directs the user to the policy. The button questions
> the user to agree to stay in accordance with policy and not edit the
> specific page for 24 hours. If the user agrees and presses the button,
> the block is undone. This allows the user to continue to edit other
> pages. If the user presses the button and resumes to edit the specific
> page, the block is reinstated for a duration longer than 24 hours.
>
> In the incidence with "Cleared as filed", I felt I was blocked
> inappropriately. Other users now use such block as means for character
> assassination. The above idea could allow an user to continue to talk on
> the discussion page, which would show that the 3RR is not punitive by
> default and prevent character assassination.
>
> In the same incidence, another user continued to show disruption by the
> use of tags to delete images that I have installed. The sources and
> copyright status of the images were obvious enough by guidelines;
> however, the user wanted to press the technicality of it. This user
> reported the block for which "Cleared as filed" instated. It would seem
> possible by this example that a user is able to game the system, get a
> user blocked, and add content under speedy deletion. This is why I sent
> the message in haste to report "Cleared as filed", as it would help make
> notice to not be so hasty to install a block and allow discussion.
>
> Obviously, not every admin has lots of time to investigate and often
> blocks on "the wrong version." This update would allow an admin to
> install a block and let the user to decide to unblock early if they
> agree to adhere to temporary terms, which is simply to not edit the
> specific article for a day. This continues to encourage discussion.
>
> Respectfully,
> Jonathan
>
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