[WikiEN-l] Re: Crappy prose isn't the main "quality" problem.

Wed Oct 26 04:04:48 UTC 2005

That's not true. They both allow for attributed POV and analysis.

"Respected scholar John Doe has said that the impact of Pepys on
future literature is incalcuable, and at least 20 books per decade are
published on him."

..and so forth would be perfectly in line with NPOV and NOR. What
would not be appropriate are unattributed, "universalized" statements
of value, but there's nothing in NPOV or NOR which says that all value
statements whatsoever should be stripped out of articles.

And if the hypothetical statement above is only half of the story, it
is easy enough to add a line of "Though some other scholars, such as
Jane Doe, think that he is often overrated, pointing to his lack of
intersubjective hyperbolity in his later work" or whatever the case
may be.

We can push viewpoints, if we identify whose viewpoint it is and we
give them and other relevant viewpoints their own representation in a
neutral and attributed way. We just can't push *our own* viewpoints.

FF

On 10/25/05, Ilya N. <ilyanep at gmail.com> wrote:
> Does NPOV or NOR allow analysis at all? Not in the slightest.
>
> While it is meant to discourage pushing a viewpoint and putting uncited
> research up on Wikipedia, what would happen if someone were to analyze a
> point in an article?
>
> In some cases it would seem to be pushing a point of view (even if the
> opposite POV is expressed) and sometimes would cause an edit war
>
> In other cases it would be seen as original research (oh no! You can't say
> that without citing it!)
>
> Maybe I'm just not understanding correctly what you mean by analyzing.
>
> On 10/25/05, Koltwills at aol.com <Koltwills at aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 10/25/2005 5:28:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > ilyanep at gmail.com writes:
> >
> > Agreed...and it could be argued that some of our policies prohibit such an
> > article from being created.
> >
> > ~Ilya N. (User:Ilyanep)
> >
> >
> > *applauding Daniel Smith's analysis of the comments in the Guardian
> > article"
> >
> > Policies such as?
> >
> > dcv
> >
> >
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