[WikiEN-l] Meanwhile, AfD grinds on

Thu Oct 13 17:31:38 UTC 2005

When I improve articles on AfD, which is a regular occurrence, I leave notes
on the discussion noting the changes and people regularly change their
votes. If the vote us running heavily for deletion, I drop a note on the
voters page letting them know that I have improved the article.

There hasn't been a case yet where the vote hasn't changed significantly.
AfD voters are reasonable people and will reconsider their vote if presented
with new information. You just have to tell them that the article has been
improved..

If it were me seeking the undeletion, I would leave a polite message saying
that you have significant additional information establishing the importance
and verifiability of the webcomic in question. You might also wish to let
others who have participated in this discussion

On 10/13/05, MacGyverMagic/Mgm <macgyvermagic at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 10/13/05, Anthony DiPierro <wikispam at inbox.org> wrote:
> > On 10/12/05, Tony Sidaway <f.crdfa at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On 10/13/05, Bryan Derksen <bryan.derksen at shaw.ca> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Since the VfD was voted on and closed properly according to
> procedure
> > > > VfU is unlikely to help.
> > >
> > > In practice no, but VFU *should* undelete pages on the basis that
> > > Wikipedia is better with them than without. It's in the undeletion
> > > policy; the fact that there's a strong resistance to actually
> > > implementing the undeletion policy is saddening.
> >
> >
> > That's certainly the way it used to be, but this changed at some point:
> > "This process should *not* be used simply because you disagree with a
> > deletion debate's reasoning — only if you think the debate was
> interpreted
> > incorrectly by the closer. This page is about *process*, not content."
> Not
> > sure who added that, and whether or not there was a vote to completely
> > change the undeletion process, but that's right at the top of the page
> now.
> >
> > Recreations of deleted pages without a VfU are
> > > > speediable
> > >
> > > Recreation of pages deleted *under the deletion policy* (which does
> > > actually apply here).
> >
> >
> > One reason not to improve an article while it's under a VfD debate,
> unless
> > you are sure it's going to win. I've seen a number of times when
> articles
> > were improved significantly after most people voted, they were deleted
> based
> > on those old votes, and now that newly improved content was speediable.
> >
> Isn't that an easy VFU candidate.
> "This article improved significantly during its time on AFD but ended
> up deleted based on old votes." Such requests are easily undeleted.
>
> Try to get such articles undeleted first and see if VFU is really as
> ineffective as you think.
> BTW, were the improvements mentioned in the AFD discussion so the
> closing admin could take it into account?
>
> --Mgm
>
> --Mgm
>
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