[WikiEN-l] Recent goings-on

Cranston Snord wikipediaisstupid at hotmail.com
Tue May 31 02:54:54 UTC 2005


Thank you.
Can you unblock me?
-Enviroknot

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>I have been watching the last week's events with dismay. I have been trying 
>to compose this email for two hours, but every time I get close, something 
>else comes up.
>
>I have decided to make this anonymous. I do not know how some of you would 
>react and I do not wish to take any chance that I would be harassed for 
>this.
>
>There are two cases that bother me. Jack Lynch aka Sam Spade and Cranston 
>Snord aka Enviroknot. Both of these cases scare me because of the precedent 
>that they have set.
>
>In the case of Jack, there was a question of a block war. Administrators 
>were fighting over what to do with him. This is not a good thing for 
>Wikipedia editors no matter who they are. It indicates that the user is 
>less of a concern than something between the two Administrators.
>
>It is the case of Cranston Snord aka Enviroknot that worries me more. This 
>is the case that has made me take the drastic step of sending an email to 
>the list anonymously. I had originally been trying to type up a response to 
>Cranston's concerns about being blocked. I believe that SlimVirgin violated 
>policy by doing so. Unfortunately for me, such an email would likely now be 
>a day late and a dollar short.
>
>Cranston was a disruption to the list, but much of that disruption was 
>caused by other people on this list treating him with incredible 
>disrespect. I was taken aback by his accusations against administrators but 
>having looked at the cases in hand I believe that he has a point.
>
>There were emails on this list asking whether anyone was taking him 
>seriously. This is the height of arrogance, and it is something that 
>frightens me. Administrators should never be acting as if ordinary editors 
>do not matter.
>
>As for his complaints about being blocked, the dismissiveness on this board 
>hurt me. No matter who it is making a complaint, we have a duty to 
>investigate it. We are listed as the last resort for users who have been 
>wronged. I took the time to investigate SlimVirgin's blocking of 
>Enviroknot, and I believe that it is not valid.
>
>By the time I got to the discussion, it was a good series of emails long, 
>and despite the number of list members who had posted, none save SlimVirgin 
>had bothered to address Enviroknot's concerns on the block in any way. 
>SlimVirgin herself made a bad judgement call. An edit made in good faith 
>should never be considered a reversion, even if it contains some content 
>that is included in a later reversion.
>
>Instead of acknowledging this fact, the list members were universally 
>dismissive of Enviroknot from the first email. One went so far as to demand 
>that the term "rogue admin" not be used, without addressing the reasons 
>that it had been brought up in multiple cases recently.
>
>We have a problem with administrators exceeding their authority on 
>Wikipedia. We have a problem with administrators not applying policy 
>correctly. And we have a problem with arrogance on these lists, with 
>administrators believing that they are somehow better than others.
>
>With the increased power of administrator access comes a responsibility to 
>use it fairly and adhere to the established procedures and policies. The 
>actions of an Administrator should themselves be NPOV. We have stated 
>policy that when a user is found to be violating policy, if they return and 
>do not break policy, their previous transgressions should not be held 
>against them.
>
>There are a number of administrators who are failing in that 
>responsibility, and they are present on this list. One of them, rather than 
>addressing Enviroknot's concerns in a calm tone and actually going over 
>policy, chose to kickban Enviroknot entirely.
>
>I have never until today been ashamed to be a part of Wikipedia, but there 
>it is. Take it as you will.
>
>A.Nony.Mouse, for the purpose of this conversation.
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