On 12/13/05, Anthony DiPierro <wikilegal(a)inbox.org> wrote:
On 12/13/05, Tony Sidaway <f.crdfa(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
On 12/13/05, Anthony DiPierro
<wikilegal(a)inbox.org> wrote:
At least a month is better than forever, but I think a month is too
long to be manageable.
I believe it's about the same amount of time we give suspected
copyright infringements.
Suspected copyright infringements is a completely different situation,
though, because it invariably *requires* discussion. That something
is not a copyright infringement cannot be easily proven, if at all.
That something has a citation in it can be easily proven.
That isn't the right question. It's not whether somehting is
*verified*, it's whether it's *verifiable*. It's wiki. Lack of
references (as in the very earliest version of the article Oxygen, see
the addendum to
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Oxygen&oldid=271622) can be
solved by editing. It can never be solved by deletion, which should
be reserved for articles that seem, after an honest effort has failed,
to be unverifiable.
How about this: we list pages there for a month, but
after 24 hours
the article gets moved to the user's subpage. And let's add this: an
article doesn't get moved, even after 24 hours, unless a member of
the "article referencing team" (or whatever) says that s/he has spent
a few minutes looking for a source and failed. If no one bothers to
make a good faith search effort, the article stays in article space
for up to a month.
No need to userfy. Just add an "unreferenced" tag. This has the
advantage of permitting casual visitors to find and improve the
article.
I find the unreferenced tag to be useless. Either it says that the
article contains some unreferenced facts, in which case we'd be better
off tagging those few articles which don't contain unreferenced facts
with the opposite tag, or it says that the article contains zero
references, which is already evident to anyone scanning the article
anyway.
If you want to put the tag on the talk page or use a category, in the
case of articles with absolutely no references, I wouldn't object.
But I don't think that is a solution for what I'm saying, which is
that we shouldn't be creating such articles in the first place.
Anthony
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