[WikiEN-l] NPOV trainwreck

Mon Dec 12 13:32:12 UTC 2005

I think the fact that our most extreme POV pushers on both the right  
and the left are united on how worthless the arbitration committee is  
says something good about us. Neither is able to deal a knockout blow  
to the other. They are both welcome to edit, provided Wikipedia  
policies such as courtesy, NPOV and citing reliable sources are  
followed. If the dialogue degenerates into personal attacks and  
futile edit warring with each side removing well referenced  
information inserted by the other limits will be imposed.

Fred

On Dec 9, 2005, at 5:18 PM, Ruy Lopez wrote:

> I surprisingly find myself in agreement with many things about this  
> ArbCom decision with Sam Spade.
>
> Here's how I see it:
>
> 1) Jimbo, who said he sees Wikipedia as a "von Mises model",  
> appoints like-minded people to
> ArbCom such as Fred Bauder and JayJG.  Jimbo appoints conservative  
> cronies like that, making
> a far worse choice than the ArbCom elections, which in my view  
> elected some good, decent people
> like Raul654, who I don't always agree with, but at least is  
> neutral, fair and so forth.
> 2) So Fred Bauder, Jimbo-appointed conservative cronie from way  
> back "does" the case, and most of
> the other arbs just sign off on the work he did.  I've seen this  
> movie before.
> 3) Getting onto ArbCom went from Jimbo appointments (who like JayJG  
> and Bauder are horrible), to
> an election, which brought in good arbs, and now he wants to go  
> back to appointing people again.
> Of course he can't just kill the election once it's in place, so he  
> says he will have an election
> to help him decide or some garbage like that.  I mean it's  
> nonsense.  Despite the "be bold" mantra,
> I am usually not so bold on such things, but I moved the "ArbCom  
> 2005 elections" page to something
> like "Arbcom 2005 support vote" and noted that there would be no  
> elections.  Of course I was
> immediately reverted, and my notes on how the election is a fraud  
> were removed.
> 4) Reading myself, I'd think I'm just another Wikipedia crank,  
> except I'm not because I "gave up"
> on Wikipedia months ago.  It will be some time before the  
> alternative wikis like Demopedia, Dkosopedia,
> Anarchopedia, Red Wiki and so forth get momentum though (which I am  
> helping generate), so I am kind of
> stuck here for a bit unfortunately.  For those who have agreed with  
> little I have said so far, here
> is one thing I'll say that if you think about it, you might agree  
> with me on.  Wouldn't it be a good
> thing for all the "left wing cranks" to go off and edit some other  
> wiki encyclopedia?  Wouldn't that
> stop a lot of edit wars and nonsense, and people could concentrate  
> on making the pages in the Science,
> Mathematics, Technology and so forth pages better, instead of  
> wasting time on all of this other nonsense?
> For some reason, Wikipedia has grabbed onto and held onto the third  
> rail of politics, and the only
> reason why I can think this happened is because Ayn-Rand-reading  
> porn magnate Jimbo wants it that way.
> I should also note that when I heard Brian Lamb ask Jimbo about Ayn  
> Rand and porn, I was of course
> delighted, and if there is a God, I hoped I had something to do  
> with that question being asked.
> 5) Nobs01 is not a von Mises, Ayn Rand reader.  He is not a rabid  
> Zionist like JayJG.  He is not a
> conservative hick lawyer like Fred Bauder who probably wears cowboy  
> boots.  He is a complete nutcase,
> he is not playing with all 52 cards in the deck.  Go to Nobs01's  
> user page, and go through the history,
> and ask yourself if this is the user page of someone who is well in  
> the head.  And I live in a city where
> I meet nutty people all the time.  Nobs01 is a nut even nuts are  
> scared of.  And ArbCom is doing nothing except a month ban of him  
> for personal attacks.  Is this going to solve the problem?  Is  
> thing going to solve  Nobs spreading his crank red-under-every-bed  
> theories around Wikipedia?
>
> Ruy
>
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