[WikiEN-l] David Hager is listed as convicted rapist

Mon Dec 5 00:15:39 UTC 2005

Jay,

Ideally, in those cases of a murder suicide, we should cite reliable sources
showing the basis for the claims.

We should make sure as far as possible that any claims we make of criminal
conduct or suspicion of are very soundly based. We should also make sure
that the offence is significant enough to warrant an article if the person
is not known for something else.

Verifiability is particularly important when we are dealing with claims of
criminal conduct.

Regards

*Keith Old*

Keith Old
User:Capitalistroadster

On 12/5/05, JAY JG <jayjg at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >From: Keith Old <keithold at gmail.com>
> What about, say, a criminal was killed before conviction by a court - say
> [[Michael Robert Ryan]]?
>
> Regards,
>
> Jay.
>
> >
> >Jay,
> >
> >Conviction is the most verifiable form of evidence re crime there is.
> >However, we can report doubts over a conviction reported in reputable
> >sources as part of NPOV.
> >
> >We shouldn't have editors playing amateur detective, however.
> >
> >Regards
> >
> >
> >*Keith Old*
> >
> >
> >Keith Old
> >
> >
> >On 12/5/05, JAY JG <jayjg at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >From: Matt Brown <morven at gmail.com>
> > > >
> > > >I responded to this user previously on the helpdesk.  The issue is
> > > >that David Hager was accused of marital rape by his former wife, who
> > > >got an article published in The Nation about this, among other
> places.
> > > >  Thus the allegations, true or not, are documented and citable, and
> > > >thus cannot be removed as unsourced attacks.
> > > >
> > > >However, he should NOT be listed in any categories that imply he has
> > > >been convicted of a crime, because he has not.
> > >
> > > I've been have a months-long debate with another editor on this
> > > topic.  I've
> > > been stating that we include people in "Criminals" categories if they
> >have
> > > been convicted of a crime by an independent judiciary.  The other
> editor
> > > insists that we have to decide (by some means) whether or not they
> have
> > > actually committed a crime, conviction is not enough a good enough
> > > yardstick.  I'd be interested in other thoughts here.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Jay.
> > >
> > >
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