[WikiEN-l] Re: Can we ban 172 now? And VV too!

Thu Jun 3 16:55:11 UTC 2004

I think we have beat on Abe, 172, enough, after all I think he is in the
right in the Augusto Pinochet article, which is the one before the
arbitration committee. I've never looked closely at VV but he seems quite
reluctant to search for and evaluate the evidence in that matter.

Under existing Wikipedia rules, editing from a point of view is subject to
correction by the editing process, not grounds for banning.

172 doesn't think he's consistently editing from a point of view. Perhaps
innocently he accepts current academic notions of political correctness as
having objective validity. I don't agree, but I seldom try to fight it out
with him with respect to particular articles. My plate is bit too full.

Fred

> From: Sheldon Rampton <sheldon.rampton at verizon.net>
> Reply-To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l at Wikipedia.org>
> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:52:00 -0500
> To: wikien-l at Wikipedia.org
> Subject: [WikiEN-l] Re: Can we ban 172 now? And VV too!
> 
> Stan Shebs wrote:
> 
>> Because there's no possible excuse for personal attacks. It doesn't
>> matter how strongly you feel about the issue, your personal history,
>> nothing.
> 
> The people who think that Abe *initiated* personal attacks should
> take another look at the title of this thread. This entire discussion
> is taking place in the context of an attack on Abe in which a
> proposal is on the table to ban him. Moreover, the discussion here
> has been mean-spirited and unfair. Abe posted the text of an article
> he wrote about the failings of the Soviet economy. I read the
> article, and I could see that it contained several clear, strong
> criticisms of Stalinist policies that hurt the economy. Nevertheless,
> Fred and others responded to the article by waxing nasty and
> sarcastic. They cherry-picked phrases out of the article that made it
> sound like Abe was blaming workers for poor productivity, and then
> threw in gratuitous accusations of being an apologist for dictators
> because in their opinion Fred's article didn't say enough about the
> Soviet gulags. As far as I can see, Fred is the one who initiated
> this attack, and he did it dishonestly. He has a different POV than
> Abe, and he's trying to resolve it by having him banned and by
> warring about the content of his article on this listserv.
> 
> Sure, Abe shouldn't have called Fred "senile," but in the overall
> context of nasty discourse that has characterized this thread, I
> don't think Abe's comment stands out as being more egregious than the
> insults that have been thrown his way.
> 
> --Sheldon Rampton
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