[WikiEN-l] "New" logo JIMBO, PLEASE INTERVENE

Wed Oct 15 18:27:17 UTC 2003

Dante wrote:
>With all due respect mav, this is bs. No one voted 
>for the logo that is currently on the 'pedia. 

Well I'm sure you already know that I have a BS in BS
(in more ways than one!). ;)

Again, they voted for the *concept* - an unfinished
puzzle ball that gave the impression of many languages
(Erik kept on saying that the concept-implementations 
can and and should be improved). A great many people
simply *hated* the particular PM implementation of
that concept, so it was improved by a professional
designer. Still the same concept. 

>Where was the revision process announced?

http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikipedia-l/2003-October/012323.html
(wikipedia-l post by Erik)

And uh, the announcements page, perhaps? 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Announcements

Before that it was on the Main Page for a while but I
moved it to the announcements page (one of the Nohat
logos was already "live" at that point; see my
complaint below). 

Making announcements is what the announcements page is
there for! Only very major announcements go on the
Main Page. Improving the logo is not major enough to
warrant that, IMO, but choosing the concept was. 

Its also been on the Main Page of
http://meta.wikipedia.org/ for some time.

Alas, it should have been also inputted into Wikimeida
News.

http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_News

>I'm sorry if I don't spend as much time on the meta 
>as on the Wikipedia proper, but there wasn't even 

If you are concerned about meta issues and policy then
you should pay attention to Wikipedia-l (*cough*
Erik's post) and meta (Main Page link). If you are
concerned with general Wikipedia-related issues then
read the Wikipedia Announcements page (*cough* link to
meta page on this issue). Also, the word
"Announcements" is bolded on RC whenever there is a
new announcement. 

>(as far as I can tell) a single mention on the 
>Wikipedia proper that the logo was actually being 
>CHANGED from the initial winner to the nohat version.

I was also a bit surprised that Nohat's logo found its
way on en.wikipedia so fast. I would have preferred to
have the nohat logo go onto test.wikipeida.org first
so that people could see how it looked on a MediaWiki
installation (same for the original PM winning logo).
It is simply bad form and looks amateurish to keep
changing the logo on a website with over 200,000 pages
- as if some type of 'logo variant war' were going on.
Even the most recent version of the nohat logo can and
probably will be swapped for another, even better
version. 

-- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)

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