[WikiEN-l] Question

Mon Dec 8 09:53:27 UTC 2003

I find people's use of "Micronation", especially as in the [[Micronation]]
article, terribly inconsistent- the only way I've ever seen it used outside
of Wikipedia (Note the "I've seen", don't list Google results of other uses,
I'm sure they exist) is to refer to very small nations that actually exist
and have some degree of legal recognition (even if it's just that they're
islands outside any other nation's territory): [[Sealand]], North Dumpling
(Dean Kamen's island, near Long Island- has a non-aggression pact with the
US signed by then-President George H.W. Bush), and several dozen others.
However, many people seem to use the term to describe entirely fictional
entities with no territory. I would simply call these "Fantasy nations",
"Imaginary nations", or something like that, as the prefix micro- makes no
sense in that context.

-- Jake

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From: "aridd" <aridd at wanadoo.fr>
To: "sannse" <sannse at delphiforums.com>; "English Wikipedia"
<wikien-l at Wikipedia.org>; "English Wikipedia" <wikien-l at Wikipedia.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [WikiEN-l] Question

Sorry, I didn't see this before replying... Thank you, yes, such a warning
would definitely have been helpful. I would have appreciated being told what
was consisered an appropriate / valuable addition. (Contrary to what Rick
seems to believe, I have put work and effort into this micronation, and am
continuing to do so). Here's hoping your suggestion will be acted upon...
Again, thanks all for your time and comments.

Regards,
Adrian

Message du 07/12/03 20:11
De : sannse
A : English Wikipedia
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Objet : Re: [WikiEN-l] Question
Rick wrote: > Ariddia is the creation of this user on NationStates, which is
a GAME. The creations at NationStates are not to be considered as even on
the same level as the crackpot "nations" that crop up from time to time on
[[List of microstates]]. *I* have a country on NationStates, and if you look
at any of the informatoin on that page, you can see that NOBODY on
NationStates take their creations seriously. There are THOUSANDS of fake
"nations" on NationStates. If everybody there wanted to come to Wikipedia to
add their fake country to it, we would be swamped (I know, "slipper slope
argument"). But Ariddia is not a real place, it is not registered at a real
place, it is not intended to be a real place, it is nothing but a place
created to play the game. > > RickK I think the question here is, was there
any attempt to communicate with Adrian in any way before the block? Did
anyone explain to him why his edits to [[List of micronations]] were being
reverted and why his article at [[Ariddia]] is not suitable for the 'pedia?
I see that RickK used a comment on one of his reversions to communicate
("rv. The entries at NationStates are imaginary") but maybe a comment on a
talk page might have been helpful? I guess you might feel that it would be a
waste of your editing time to do this in each similar case, but it might be
worth it if it helps retain a potentially useful user (anyone who spends
lots of time on the details of inventing a country might spend lots of time
on the details of an encyclopaedia too!) Personally I think it should be
general practice to at least give a "stop that or you will be blocked"
message on a IPs talk page before most blocks (I'm not making that a
stronger statement because I recognise there are many variable situations).
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