[Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia India Program Trust

Wed Nov 16 10:36:27 UTC 2011

I'm sorry Achal, but I think I never mentioned you in this thread, so I
couldn't understand when I was harsh to you.

But let's not continue this on list, after all we both know we both can be
much more harsh that we show here, right? ( btw, thanks for one more for my
collection!) ;)
_____
*Béria Lima*
<http://wikimedia.pt/>(351) 925 171 484

*Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a
construir esse sonho. <http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos>*

On 16 November 2011 06:38, Achal Prabhala <aprabhala em gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Beria,
>
> I'm sorry - I wrote this in a hurry and don't necessarily want to
> further crowd foundation-l.
>
> The point about Goma is that he (and other Catalan Wikipedians) don't
> need to feel any more excluded than they already do
> (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_CAT/en)
>
> The point about me is superfluous. I guess I was reacting to the
> incredibly harsh tone of (most) of your messages. I apologise; there is
> no excuse for reproducing the kind of behaviour that makes me despair.
>
> Achal
>
>
> On Tuesday 15 November 2011 08:02 PM, Béria Lima wrote:
> > Achal, I don't quite understand what is the idea, meaning or whatever you
> > wrote in your mail.
> >
> > Can you explain (this time with full and meaningful sentences), please?
> > _____
> > *Béria Lima*
> > <http://wikimedia.pt/>(351) 925 171 484
> >
> > *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
> > livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a
> > construir esse sonho.<http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos>*
> >
> >
> > On 15 November 2011 14:19, Achal Prabhala<aprabhala em gmail.com>  wrote:
> >
> >> Can we not pick on a person whose "POV" is that he wishes to participate
> >> in the Wikimedia movement in the fullest way possible?
> >>
> >> Pick on me instead. Oh wait...
> >>
> >> Best wishes,
> >> Achal
> >>
> >> On Tuesday 15 November 2011 07:40 PM, Béria Lima wrote:
> >>> OMG Gomà, can´t you leave any thread in peace without push your POV?
> >>> _____
> >>> *Béria Lima*
> >>> <http://wikimedia.pt/>(351) 925 171 484
> >>>
> >>> *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
> >>> livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a
> >>> construir esse sonho.<http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos>*
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 15 November 2011 09:37, Joan Goma<jrgoma em gmail.com>   wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 19:12:42 +0000
> >>>>> From: B?ria Lima<berialima em gmail.com>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia India Program Trust
> >>>>>
> >>>>> *The way I see is India is a land of immense potential for the
> >> Wikimedia
> >>>>>> Movement. IMHO, There is enough space of 10 chapters and Wikimedia
> >>>>> offices
> >>>>>> to co-exist and work together in India.*
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> Did you ever read the Chapter Agreement you signed with WMF? That
> >>>> document
> >>>>> states that WMIN is the ONLY chapter of WMF in India, and that any
> one
> >>>>> organization must have their "approval" to work in Indian soil (I'm
> >>>> saying
> >>>>> that based in WMPT agreement, WMIN one might be different.)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> I think that the spirit of an agreement is more important than its
> >> wording
> >>>> but
> >>>> I would like to comment both.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regarding the wording, in my opinion what the contract says can be
> >>>> interpreted exactly the other way around. It says that to create
> another
> >>>> chapter in the same geographical area WMIN will be consulted. [1] It
> >>>> doesn’t say that the approval of WMIN is needed. Furthermore to create
> >> an
> >>>> organization different than chapters not even that consultation is
> >>>> foreseen.
> >>>>
> >>>> As for the spirit I feel that the impression that chapters have
> private
> >>>> ownership of land is a big mistake that can leads us to a situation
> >>>> contrary to
> >>>> our values. This exclusivity is contrary to the spirit of sharing. We
> >> are
> >>>> not cultivating potatoes where the owner of the land keeps the
> >> potatoes. We
> >>>> give the potatoes away. The more and better people working the land
> more
> >>>> potatoes can give away. We don’t need land owners, what we need are
> >>>> people working
> >>>> the land.
> >>>>
> >>>> I think these organizations should be happy of having there each other
> >>>> andsee
> >>>> a chance that what one of them can’t do, perhaps will be done by the
> >> other.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Agreement_between_chapters_and_Wikimedia_Foundation#3.%20Geographic_limits
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