[Foundation-l] Oral Citations project: People are Knowledge

Fri Jul 29 18:19:04 UTC 2011

Why can't you do both?

Provide the original text in the original language in the citation, followed by a translation. Any bickering over the quality of the translation can be dealt with through consensus on the talk page, while the original is still there for those who want the original to do their own verification of the translation.

-Dan
On Jul 29, 2011, at 9:06 PM, Wjhonson wrote:

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> Yes of course translating documents "has been practiced in academia for a very long time."
> 
> We however are not a first publisher of translations.  We are an aggregator of sources.
> That is the point of RS.
> We don't publish first.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: M. Williamson <node.ue at gmail.com>
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> And what if readers don't understand Spanish? As a translator, I have to say
> am strongly against the idea that a translation counts as original
> esearch. Translating quotes has been practiced in academia for a very long
> ime, and just in the last month I must've read several papers with quotes
> n languages I didn't understand well enough to read without the translation
> y the author (German, Latin, etc). If I want to quote an academic paper in
> panish for an article where there are few or no English-language sources
> vailable, I should be able to quote directly from the paper but provide a
> ranslation so that English speakers who do not speak Spanish can benefit
> rom the quote. The great thing about the wiki process is that if someone
> isagrees with my translation, it can be fixed (I have fixed a few
> ranslations on en.wp myself).
> 011/7/29 Wjhonson <wjhonson at aol.com>
>> 
> No that's not what it would mean.
> It would mean that if a Spanish language source is used on an English
> language page, we should quote that source in Spanish, and not quote it
> using our OWN translation.  As editors we should not be creating
> publications, only quoting publications.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Gerard <dgerard at gmail.com>
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> Sent: Fri, Jul 29, 2011 10:37 am
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Oral Citations project: People are Knowledge
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> On 29 July 2011 17:39, Wjhonson <wjhonson at aol.com> wrote:
>> I would agree with Ray that we should quote Latin texts in Latin, Spanish
> exts in Spanish no matter what language-page we are using.  IF the text is
> that
> mportant to English speakers then there should be or probably will soon be,
> a
> erifiable English language translation *not* created in-project, but rather
> by
>  reputable author publishing just such a translation.
> 
> his would mean that only English-language references are acceptable
> n en:wp, which is of course false. Your statement takes a useful idea
> no original research), extrapolates it until it really obviously
> reaks, and then puts forward the broken version as a good thing.
> You appear to be mixing up policy, guidelines, practice and how you
> ersonally think things should be, without distinguishing which you
> re describing at any given time; this leads only to confusion.
> 
>  d.
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