[Foundation-l] Oral Citations project: People are Knowledge

Wed Jul 27 18:18:53 UTC 2011

Hallo, (responses inline)

On Wednesday 27 July 2011 11:36 PM, Wjhonson wrote:
> You should not create your own videos and then publish them on Wikipedia.
> You should create videos or audio tracks of oral interviews, and then publish them.
We did not "create our own videos and then publish them on Wikipedia" 
(though it's not clear to me as to why that would be against the spirit 
of the movement :)).

What we did is to put out a film that captures the spirit of the 
research project.

And we did in fact only put out audio interviews as sources of citation, 
which are recorded in full. As you suggest we should, we did: i.e. the 
articles created out of the oral citations (posted near the bottom of 
the page) use the audio files as citations, as you can see here: 
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Projects/Oral_Citations#Audio_Files.2FImages

(All of this is documented on the research page, btw).

> Then allow others to add that material to Wikipedia where appropriate.
> That's my two cents.
Once again, the research page is here: 
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Projects/Oral_Citations

and a link to the film on the project is here: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:People-are-Knowledge.ogv

Thanks,
Achal

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sarah Stierch<sarah.stierch at gmail.com>
> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List<foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
> Sent: Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:06 am
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Oral Citations project: People are Knowledge
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> Hi all -
> I came across a lighter version of this conversation on another Wikimedia
> ist, and felt the need to share my similar thoughts and statements that I
> ade previously.
> For the past year, I have been examining opportunities involving Indigenous
> ommunities of North America and opportunities to utilize Wikipedia and
> elated websites as an affordable, unique and global form of cultural
> reservation. I have my undergraduate in Native American Studies, and I am
> btaining my masters currently. My final paper (not quite a thesis) for
> raduation will be a strong examination of the opportunities related to
> ndigenous communities and opportunities/pros/cons related to Wikipedia. I'm
> ctually presenting on my preliminary observations and concerns at
> ikimania, you can learn a bit more here:
> http://wikimania2011.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Wikimedia_%26_Indigenous_Peoples:_Pros,_Cons_and_Community
> In the United States, as far as I am aware, I am the only person thinking
> bout this on a higher level. While right now I am quite busy with other
> atters, come this Fall I will be diving head first into my research. I will
> e serving as Wikipedian in Residence at the National Museum of the American
> ndian, where I will be working with staff to examine these concerns.  One
> f our biggest concerns lies with *oral history*. We have had countless
> onversations about the struggles with "no original research" however, in
> ral history based societies, we will have a very hard time moving beyond
> nything else. As stated previously, the majority of content created related
> o Indigenous communities in North America was often written by (and still
> s) Anglo anthropologists - some of that data is highly out of date and is
> till being utilized on Wikipedia as a source today.
> This project, Oral Citations, follows closely with the type of work I am
> eeking to do. I have been planning to examine Wikipedia (English at first)
> esearch policies and consider proposals or changes in relation to serious
> esearch and Indigenous communities. Of course, it all comes down to
> unding, and Native people of North American are often the first overlooked
> roup - it will take a lot of work, years of effort, and a lot of buy in
> hat is needed to be gathered from inside the community itself.
> I'm babbling right now, but, this is a very passionate topic for me. I see
> ikipedia as providing an affordable and unique way for Indigenous
> ommunities to not only learn valuable skills - many of the communities here
> n America are among the poorest in the world, you'd think you were in a
> eveloping country, and kids barely receive beyond an elementary school
> ducation - but to have a broad arena to share stories (that the community
> hooses to share of course), beliefs, cosmologies, and traditions so that
> hey are accessible and *vetted* for researchers and community members
> round the world.
> I do hope that some of you are attending Wikimania, I'd like to be able to
> ave a break out session of sorts or an unconference to discuss this topic
> urther. I'm hoping in the next year to have an international conference of
> orts that brings together Indigenous people, open source gurus, and
> iki-folks to examine opportunities, processes, and belief systems in
> egards to opportunities.
> Feel free to email me directly, again, right now I am unable to move quickly
> n any major projects due to my already big work load, but, I'm hoping that
> his will be large part of my career work as an advocate for Native rights,
>   scholar, and an open source-lover.
> -Sarah
> [w:en:User:SarahStierch]]
> On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 8:32 AM, CasteloBranco<
> ichelcastelobranco at gmail.com>  wrote:
>> And why does the people who speaks Malayalam, Hindi and Sepedi need to
>   write in English in order to have those oral citations published?
>   English is not as universal as some people think. I guess we need to
>   find an answer in their own language, so the solution won't be another
>   barrier. Also, the escope of this project is much more important for the
>   projects on these languages, and for speakers of these languages, rather
>   than the English Wikipedia or its readers.
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>   But that's just me.
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>   Castelo
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>   Em 26/07/2011 16:16, whothis escreveu:
>   >  Looks like an excellent waste of effort.
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>   >  Maybe the problem of publishing non-publishable oral sources occurred to
>   >  someone on the team. Anyway the english wikipedia seems to be the
>   >  appropriate place for your original research. I can't wait to read all
>   about
>   >  it.
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>   >  I still think a research project in emesis in the global south or
>   something
>   >  would have suited english wikipedia better but that's just me.
>   >
>   >  Your fan
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>   >  Elizabeth
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>   >  On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Achal Prabhala<aprabhala at gmail.com>
>    wrote:
>   >
>   >>  Dear friends,
>   >>
>   >>  At the beginning of 2011, a group of us began working on a project to
>   >>  explore alternative methods of citation on Wikipedia. We were motivated
>   >>  by the lack of published resources in much of the non-Anglo-European
>   >>  world, and the very real difficulty of citing everyday aspects of lived
>   >>  reality in India and South Africa.
>   >>
>   >>  We are now at a stage where the project is almost complete, and we'd
>   >>  like to share our work with the broader movement, especially within
>   >>  India and South Africa.
>   >>
>   >>  There are three languages we worked within: Malayalam, Hindi and Sepedi.
>   >>
>   >>  The project page documents the process and logistics employed, as well
>   >>  as the findings and results:
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>   >>  http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Oral_Citations
>   >>
>   >>  A film made on the project is available here:
>   >>
>   >>
>   >>
>   http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:People-are-Knowledge.ogv?withJS=MediaWiki:MwEmbed.js
>   >>  http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:People-are-Knowledge.ogv
>   >>  or
>   >>  http://vimeo.com/26469276
>   >>
>   >>  There have been discussions on oral citations for some time now within
>   >>  the language communities we worked with for the duration of the project.
>   >>  At this stage, we are really interested in *your* feedback, either on
>   >>  this list, or on the Discussion section of the project page.
>   >>
>   >>  There are still some things to come, namely:
>   >>
>   >>  - Updates on events, meetings and discussions held around the project
>   >>  (as they happen)
>   >>  - Updates on articles created in Malayalam, Hindi and Sepedi as a result
>   >>  of the project (as they happen)
>   >>  - English transcripts of the interviews and a full English subtitle
>   track
>   >>  for further translation (we could use some help here).
>   >>
>   >>  We would be very grateful to hear your feedback, and begin a broader
>   >>  discussion.
>   >>
>   >>  Best wishes,
>   >>  Achal
>   >>
>   >>
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