[Foundation-l] The problem with Incubator: An interactive journey

Sat Aug 13 20:15:35 UTC 2011

Gerard, the term "incubating wikis" is confusing for reasons I already
explained. Users with little experience are very unlikely to know about
http://test.wikipedia.org/ so I see little potential for actual confusion.
We have been calling Wikis on incubator "test wikis" for ages (since BEFORE
incubator existed), I see no reason to ditch that straightforward, useful
term just to replace it with the confusing "incubating Wikis".

2011/8/13 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com>

> Hoi,
> There is nothing wrong with the term incubating; it indicates forcefully
> that we want full projects in those languages. A test wiki is even more
> ambiguous because we have things like test.wikis for new software.
>
> Having a landing page with texts in languages that are likely to be
> understood is a good thing. I will support that. When these pages are
> supported in a similar way as is done for new translators on
> translatewiki.net, I would be really happy; the point is that you make
> things easy and, the time spend by our community is our most valuable
> asset.
>
> Having projects go to the incubator is a good thing when there is an
> incubating project. When there are technical issues like we have them for
> languages like sign languages we can have specific information. We can have
> specific information when projects have been denied in the past as well.
> Particularly when they have been denied by the board; these exceptions are
> the exceptions to the policy and deserve better information.
>
> Let one thing be clear; having a project in the incubator for a longer time
> is not a desired state. Making improvements to the visibility only serves
> to
> speed up the process towards a full project.
> Thanks,
>     GerardM
>
> On 12 August 2011 02:08, Robin Pepermans <robinp.1273 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > @Mark: although I do not like your tone in your original post, you
> > provide some good feedback (and started a thread with more feedback),
> > which is more than welcome.
> > 2. Do you have a suggestion as an alternative for the term "incubating
> > wikis"? Is the more often used "test wiki" better?
> > 5. I improved the Incubator:Wikis list so it is more intuitive, I
> > hope. As for the order, it is alphabetically.
> >
> > @Fajro "The link from the test-wiki should direct to the proper recent
> > changes."
> > The links on Wx/xyz pages do, or are you referring to links somewhere
> else?
> >
> > @Thomas: Info pages like
> > http://robinpepermans.be/mw-dev/index.php?title=Wn/shi will be coming
> > soon, and the redirects will hopefully be implemented this year or
> > early next year. As far as I can see, this will allow interwiki links
> > from any project to an incubator test wiki, which is a very good thing
> > (will not work for languages unknown to Wikimedia, with current setup)
> >
> > @Nathan: A kind of "language searcher" to more easily find test wikis,
> > is on my to-do list.
> >
> > And I added one more thing to the to-do list: improving
> > http://www.wikipedia.org/ and similar portals. Thanks for that idea.
> >
> > In general, we are moving from the "request a new wiki (and oh, we
> > need to make some pages at Incubator)" way to "start your own wiki at
> > Incubator, and if it is big, we can request to move to an own
> > subdomain".
> > This way, we can put starting wikis back in the hands of volunteers
> > without needing to create separate (inactive) wikis for each of them.
> >
> > I should communicate better about my work. Anyway, I plan to propose a
> > presentation at Wikimania next year about these things.
> >
> > Regards,
> > SPQRobin
> >
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