[Foundation-l] Please delete mo. wikipedia

Tue Oct 12 22:49:02 UTC 2010

I think Milos proposal was about to discuss the issue of the "moldovan"
wikipedia inside the interested people, the ones who sustain the idea of
a such, and the opponents (maybe the word is not the most appropriate
one - but i can remember any other more neutral word), together with the
Langcom. In order not to monopolize the discussions on the
[foundation-l] (and I have the feeling that otherwise the subject will
become very "hot", and maybe somewhere too personalized), as M. Williams
points out regarding the discussions that may take place.

I want to remember that the question of the existence of a "moldovan
language" separated by Romanian language, with a distinct grammar,
vocabulary and literature, partially or totally different, it is an
extremely politicized question inside Republic of Moldova, first of all.
There has been no clear conclusion/decision on the question, since it
implies a lot of political issues to be brought up.
In the last years it is more a silent consensus in society that
"moldovan" is identical with Romanian language, and that "moldovan" is
merely the name of the spoken language used by people living in
historical Moldova, divide between Romania and Republica Moldova (as
Irish or Scottish dialect of English, or American-English), with some
different words - *but* - with totally identical *grammar*.

Thus the idea of Gutza to create a special discussion page on Meta will
fit the idea of an open, public and transparent discussion with the
support of Language subcommittee. And that we should not use the
foundation-l for sharing inside talks on the issue.

with respect,
somewhere from Chisinau/Moldova,
/gheorghe

On 12.10.2010 23:27, M. Williamson wrote:
> Gutza, the problem with such a solution is inequality of numbers.
> Every time this has been discussed previously, such forums have been
> dominated by Romanians from Romania with very little input from
> Moldovans and 0 input from Transnistrians. This is unfair and steps
> should be taken to remedy any systemic bias of this type. Although the
> solution of Milos of individuals or groups negotiating privately is
> not ideal, it seems to me better than rule-by-mob in which it will end
> up, as on the vote for closure of mo.wp, a battle of numbers between
> Russians and Romanians rather than a discussion of any substance
> between informed or involved parties with different views.
> 
> -m.
> 
> 2010/10/12 Gutza <gutza at moongate.ro>:
>>  I've been watching the conversation on this topic from the bench.
>> Milos, this is a highly sensitive issue, you can't tell "private
>> parties" to settle this privately and come back with a solution -- this
>> has to be settled in a public medium (if only for the consensus to be
>> visible). I suggest a page on Meta, e.g.
>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/2010_Decision_on_Moldovan_Wikipedia
>>
>> Regards,
>> Gutza
>>