[Foundation-l] Wikispecies

Wed Aug 26 17:57:53 UTC 2009

Hoi,
When people put forward their opinion that a project is of low or no
quality, there is no reason at all to hold back. The only thing that you may
hope for is that the person expressing this opinion is honest. That is the
good faith that you have to assume. There is no reason at all, to hold back
on a bad opinion of a project when you can argue why a project is awful. The
only thing you ask for is that the opinion is expressed with arguments.
Without arguments good or bad opinions about a project are hardly relevant.
Thanks,
      GerardM

2009/8/26 Andrew Leung <andrewcleung at hotmail.com>

>
> Opps, used wrong subject line. So here's what I said about Wikispecies.
>
> > From: andrewcleung at hotmail.com
> > To: foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org
> > Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 13:49:36 -0400
> > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Raw data of 2009 Board election ballots
> >
> >
> > Full disclaimer: I contribute in Wikispecies.
> >
> > First, calling a project as "zero quality project", whether it belongs to
> WMF or Wikia or somewhere else, is downright assuming bad faith. Second, all
> of the discussion links in your "boycott" section took place in 2005 and
> 2006, clearly unable to recognize that consensus can change (and probably
> had changed since those are aged discussion). Third, we have accommodated
> multi-lingual requests by including vernacular names section. But you have
> to recognize the fact that the entire scientific community describing new
> species all communicate in English and use Linnaean taxonomy. Even if the
> paper is in foreign language, the abstract would at least have an English
> version. This norm has been set since 1735 (the year which Linnaeus first
> published Systema Naturae).
> >
> > We often get compared between Encyclopedia of Life (EOL), so I grabbed a
> correspondence with someone who shares data to both EOL and Wikispecies
> (permission already granted beforehand by these 2 individuals on quoting
> this email). The Zookeys, a peer-reviewed scientific journal on species,
> publisher Dr. Lyubomir Penev said this to a Wikispecies editor:
> >
> > "Today I was amazed to see that your latest edit of the Haplodesmidae
> page (with my Agathodesmus revision and Sergei  Golovatch's Eutrichodesmus
> paper) was dated 19 June, *one day* after ZooKeys published it. You may even
> have beaten ZooBank, which   links to ZooKeys."
> >
> > Furthermore, Dr. Penev said Encyclopedia of Life still hasn't got any
> details from  ZooKeys, and the Catalogue of Life is years behind. Keep in
> mind that ZooKeys and EOL are partners, yet EOL has not used any data even
> from the first issue of ZooKeys, which is published in July 2008. Also, keep
> in mind that most images from EOL are licensed under CC-BY-NC-SA, which is
> unsuitable for reuse in Commons or WMF projects.
> >
> > Finally, to dismiss any claims that Wikispecies is a zero quality
> project, we have an agreed collaboration with ZooKeys, which will see
> hundreds of new species images continuously being uploaded to Commons. We
> are already planning another collaboration with Acta Entomologica Musei
> Nationalis Pragae which will grant us permission to upload their
> otherwise-copyrighted images to Commons under CC-BY-SA 3.0 to illustrate
> articles in WMF. We also granted special access to their pdf papers without
> a 2-year delay. Has any WMF projects successfully worked out collaborations
> to get large quantities of new species images in high quality and accuracy?
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> > "Fill the world with children who care and things start looking up."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Klaus Graf <klausgraf at googlemail.com
> >wrote:
> >
> > > I cannot understand why WMF is unable to terminate Wikispecies which
> > > is a zero quality project. See
> > >
> > > http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:Gnom/Wikispecies (also in
> English)
> > >
> > > Klaus Graf
> > >
> >
> > Propose it be closed at Meta then.
> >
> > --
> > Alex
> > (User:Majorly)
> >
> >
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