[Foundation-l] Problems with the new license TOS

Thu Apr 16 22:34:41 UTC 2009

On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen <cimonavaro at gmail.com
> wrote:

> Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote:
> > Anthony wrote:
> >> Are you strongly opposed to all types of "intellectual property"?  Vote
> for
> >> the change.
> >>
> I don't see how this is warranted. As it stands the TOS proposed
> is certainly semantically confusing, but hardly in stark opposition
> to intellectual property. In fact Lawrence Lessig is on record as
> stating taht CC licenses *depend* on intellectual property rights,
> even if their purport is to maximally facilitate unlimited re-use, and
> keeping the content in play for re-use.
>

How would you suggest someone strongly opposed to all types of "intellectual
property" should vote, then?  Considering that the main proponent of the
proposal, Erik Moeller, is strongly opposed to all types of "intellectual
property", it seems like a given that someone else who feels similarly
should vote in favor of the move.

> >> Do you believe that the right to attribution is a fundamental natural
> right
> >> which is held by individuals and cannot be alienated by majority vote?
>  Vote
> >> against the change, or refuse to vote at all.
> >>
>
> Now this is just simply beyond the pale. You know full well that the
> license as such is implicitly BY.

The proposal contains much more than just a switch to CC-BY-SA, it also
includes language interpreting CC-BY-SA in a way which indisputably changes
the form of attribution required.