[Foundation-l] Advertisement and service at the same time

Sun Mar 23 07:22:54 UTC 2008

On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 12:54 AM, Gerard Meijssen
<gerard.meijssen at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hoi,
>  I would not rule out advertisements anywhere. We are discussing the use of
>  advertisements and the notion of where is not the notion of why. I am
>  interested in more funding for the WMF so that we can fund more activities
>  that help us accomplish our mission. All notions about where adverts are to
>  be had need only be considered when we know that we are going to use the
>  instrument of advertising to increase our funding.
>
>  I have been watching TV for a few days, I am at my mothers for Easter, and I
>  do not like advertisements at all. It is so bad that my mother will not
>  watch most of the commercial TV channels. I do not like advertisements at
>  all but when they help us accomplish things...
>
>  We could do for instance ads in our stable versions ..
>  Thanks,
>      GerardM
>
>
>
>  On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 9:47 PM, Jimmy Wales <jwales at wikia.com> wrote:
>
>  > I don't know of anyone, even among those advocating for advertisements,
>  > who advocates putting them in article space.
>  >
>  > White Cat wrote:
>  > > Well. "United States Holocaust Memorial Museum" doesn't strike as a
>  > problem
>  > > unless you are on the perspective that denies the holocaust. We
>  > disregard
>  > > such minority opinions for the most part, which is fine. But wait till
>  > you
>  > > get to topics like Palestine and Israel...
>  > >
>  > > Let's assume advertisements are assigned to articles randomly and not in
>  > an
>  > > Adsense manner... Adsense would be more problematic on occasions
>  > > particularly on controversial topics.
>  > >
>  > >    - An Israeli tourism advertisement on an article about Palestinian
>  > may
>  > >    be problematic.
>  > >    - An Israeli tourism advertisement on an article about Iran may be
>  > >    problematic.
>  > >    - An Israeli tourism advertisement on an article about cheese may not
>  > >    be problematic.
>  > >    - An Israeli tourism advertisement on an article about Toyota may not
>  > >    be problematic.
>  > >
>  > > Likewise
>  > >
>  > >    - A Ford advertisement on an article about Palestinian may not be
>  > >    problematic.
>  > >    - A Ford advertisement on an article about Iran may be problematic.
>  > >    - A Ford advertisement on an article about cheese may not be
>  > >    problematic.
>  > >    - A Ford advertisement on an article about Toyota may be problematic.
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > What I am trying to say is how do we know with 100% certainty we are
>  > with a
>  > > situation where an advertisement shows up at a problematic article? An
>  > > advertisement that is not problematic on one article may be problematic
>  > > elsewhere.
>  > >
>  > >    - White Cat
>  > >
>  > > On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Jimmy Wales <jwales at wikia.com> wrote:
>  > >
>  > >> White Cat wrote:
>  > >>>  Joke aside, what kind of an advertisement
>  > >>> would we put on an article on the second world war or a pharaoh from
>  > >> ancient
>  > >>> Egypt.
>  > >> Just for discussion purposes, the two ads I see on google right now for
>  > >> "World War II" are for the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, and
>  > >> for World War II History magazine.
>  > >>
>  > >> The Museum advertisement leads to a special section of their website
>  > >> focussing on D-Day.  From my cursory reading of it as a non-specialist,
>  > >> it does not appear to be POV pushing.  It is an educational site about
>  > >> the war.
>  > >>
>  > >> At Britannica,
>  > >> http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9110199/World-War-II
>  > >>
>  > >> I see a banner at the top, apparently unrelated to the content (for
>  > >> Advair, an asthma medication).  Further down, I see an advertisement
>  > for
>  > >> the Lincoln Navigator, a giant SUV car thing.  And I see an
>  > >> advertisement for the University of Phoenix.  And another ad for the
>  > >> University of Phoenix.  And the google ads.  (I am not even counting
>  > >> their ads for their own products.)
>  > >>
>  > >> Interestingly enough, at Ask.com, I see no advertisements for "World
>  > War
>  > >> II".
>  > >>
>  > >> At Yahoo, I see a series of text ads similar to google's (though, more
>  > >> of them).
>  > >>
>  > >> A search for "Tutankhamun" at Google (the most popular pharoah I
>  > >> suppose), shows 3 advertisements for tickets to the Tutankhamun
>  > exhibit,
>  > >> which is currently in London.
>  > >>
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No, Foundation is not talking about ads... but the elites closely
related to the foundation are
Of course, it's going to be discussed since there's no money enough to
secure the site operations AND save the world