[Foundation-l] Ads and monobook

Wed Mar 19 13:25:22 UTC 2008

Hoi,
When the question was asked what the consequences would be for a project
that chooses to opt out of adverts, it was thought an improper question.
Obviously, when the English Wikipedia opts out, what would the consequences
be for that project as in what would be done for other projects that would
not be done for it?

As the English Wikipedia IS the biggest project, it gets the most attention.
Problems in other projects are not considered in the same way or are not
considered at all. They do not get attention or technical requirements to
write a language are dismissed out of hand because they upset the way things
are. So effectively the projects are not seen in the same light.
Thanks,
      GerardM

On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 1:51 PM, Chad <innocentkiller at gmail.com> wrote:

> Let's assume projects can opt-out, and this must be approved
> by the Board (as they are ultimately responsible for fiscal
> matters). For the sake of arguments, let's pretend enwiki came
> to a fairly clear consensus that they wished to opt-out of WMF
> ads. Wouldn't this basically kill the entire ads cash-cow right
> there?
>
> Now, continuing this scenario, I can imagine the Board would
> probably reject an opt-out from the largest project. This begs
> the question: does the Foundation see all projects in an
> equal light?
>
> -Chad
>
> On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 7:51 AM, Gerard Meijssen
> <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hoi,
> >  Having individual people opt out of ads is no problem. You can already
> do
> >  this by including add stoppers in your browser. This is no issue.
> >
> >  When projects opt out, it means that they are not part of the solution.
> In
> >  the past the question was asked what the consequences would be for a
> project
> >  that opts out. When opt out for projects are accepted, one modifier
> would be
> >  to have another skin that is free of adverts, it not being the default
> skin.
> >
> >  The biggest question that nobody is asking is, what would the technical
> >  requirements be for an add provider. We could consider things like
> >  completely anonymous adds ie the same adds for everyone on the same
> page.
> >  Maybe with a modifier for the language selected by a user..
> >  Thanks,
> >     GerardM
> >
> >
> >
> >  On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 12:20 PM, Chad <innocentkiller at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >  > On the subject of ads, I have a question. Given that all registered
> users
> >  > can
> >  > edit their WP stylesheet to suit their needs, /if/ ads were added,
> what's
> >  > to
> >  > keep the registered users from putting something like .ads {display:
> >  > none;}
> >  > to make sure they saw nothing? And by that extension, what's to keep
> >  > a project from adding that to their local mediawiki's stylesheet? I
> would
> >  > assume a policy would exist to prohibit the latter.
> >  >
> >  > Just some food for thought.
> >  >
> >  > -Chad
> >  >
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