[Foundation-l] Concern for the safety of Wikimanians inAlexandria

Thu Mar 6 15:46:20 UTC 2008

Just to carry the analogy to extremes, it's also a lot easier to be 
persecuted for false assumptions about one's sexuality than one's skin color 
(ie, law enforcement makes up their own mind about your sexuality, but not 
skin color...)

But I've seen no evidence of profiling of that type, to clarify.

Philippe

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From: "Chad" <innocentkiller at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 7:52 AM
To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" <foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Concern for the safety of Wikimanians 
inAlexandria

> Interesting analogy.
>
> Although granted, it is moderately easier to hide your
> sexual orientation than it is to hide your skin color. Not
> trying to justify it though, as one should not be forced to
> pretend to be someone they're not.
>
>
> -Chad
>
> On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 8:23 AM, Marc Riddell <michaeldavid86 at comcast.net> 
> wrote:
>> Thanks, Chad, for your clarification. I am frankly amazed by the decision 
>> to
>>  hold the event in Alexandria. Given what has been said about the 
>> cultural
>>  and social attitudes toward homosexuality; it would be like having a
>>  sponsored gathering in 1950s Birmingham, Alabama, and telling the
>>  African-Americans not to "flaunt their blackness". It is one of the most
>>  insensitive decisions I have heard an institution make in a long time.
>>
>>  Be healthy,
>>
>>  Marc
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  on 3/6/08 8:09 AM, Chad at innocentkiller at gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>  > Marc,
>>  >
>>  > Oldak said exactly what I was meaning, so his reply
>>  > is probably more elegant than mine.
>>  >
>>  > By "flaunting their sexuality," I was referring to being openly
>>  > gay with a partner, holding hands, sharing a room, that kind
>>  > of thing. I guess "flaunting" was a bad choice of words, "publicly
>>  > displaying" would probably be closer to my point.
>>  >
>>  > Sorry for any confusion.
>>  >
>>  > -Chad
>>  >
>>  > On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 7:59 AM, Marc Riddell 
>> <michaeldavid86 at comcast.net>
>>  > wrote:
>>  >> on 3/6/08 7:34 AM, Chad at innocentkiller at gmail.com wrote:
>>  >>
>>  >>> I would say so. Mike seems to think that as long as the
>>  >>> wikimedian gay community doesn't flaunt their sexuality
>>  >>> (as gay men in the US seem to do all the time), they
>>  >>> should be fine.
>>  >>>
>>  >>> -Chad
>>  >>
>>  >> Chad, what exactly does "flaunt their sexuality" mean to you?
>>  >>
>>  >> Marc Riddell
>>  >>
>>  >>
>>  >>
>>  >>>
>>  >>> On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 11:37 PM, John Reaves 
>> <johnreaveswp at gmail.com> wrote:
>>  >>>> So is it really worth having the conference there if steps like 
>> this are
>>  >>>> necessary?
>>  >>>>
>>  >>>> --John Reaves
>>  >>>>
>>  >>>>
>>  >>>> On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 8:32 PM, Mike Godwin <mgodwin at wikimedia.org> 
>> wrote:
>>  >>>>
>>  >>>>> "We are actively looking for a professional threat-
>>  >>>>> assessment firm to consult regarding the full range of possible
>>  >>>>> threats we might have to deal with in holding and attending the
>>  >>>>> conference." 
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>>  >>>>
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