[Foundation-l] Jimmy Wales in the news

Thu Mar 6 03:19:16 UTC 2008

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Philippe Beaudette wrote:
> 
> Anthony wrote:
>> I don't think I can chalk this up as "old stuff" as long as people
>> involved in the foundation keep lying to and/or misleading the public
>> about it.  Sue's comments in particular I found very disturbing.
>>
>> If you want some "new stuff", though, can someone please explain the
>> "employee receivable" and "allowance for doubtful employee" accounts?
>> You don't have to name names when doing so.
>
> While I have never questioned anyone's right to reasonable discussion, your 
> implication that Sue is lying is way, way, WAY out of line.  Put up or shut 
> up.  Call her a liar, or don't, but either way your emails are headed 
> straight for my trash-can.
> 
> In civilized discourse, one does not get to wantonly call someone a liar.  I 
> think you have, once again, crossed a line.
> 
> Everything I've seen of Sue suggests that she's an above-board, ethical 
> woman.  You can disagree without calling someone a liar.  You can question - 
> even firmly - without resorting to name-calling.  You have failed to do so 
> and I find it particularly offensive.  I respect those who question and 
> those who resist.  There's a place in this community for an agitator. 
> Common courtesy is required, however.

I think we can do without all of the invective over who said what or who
accused whom.  Accusing someone of lying is unpleasant, but then so too
is endlessly berating someone over it.

The simple fact of the matter is that Sue came onboard long after the
alleged improprieties.  She simply doesn't know everything that happened
before then.  In particular, WMF staff has pretty high turnover, and
Danny's computer was even wiped of all of its data upon his departure
from the Foundation (!!!!), including all of his records.  So I don't
think Sue is necessarily lying, but keep in mind that there's no way for
her to be sure that everything Jimbo did was above-board.

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Ben "Cyde Weys" McIlwain    ( http://www.cydeweys.com/blog/ )
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