[Foundation-l] Foundation-l

Sun Mar 2 13:15:21 UTC 2008

My experience with this list is not as much that threads start trivial, I am
perfectly able to filter those out visually. The problem comes when people
drift away from the original topic. When people continue to nag about things
when all arguments have been said. When people just want to have the final
word. That is what is the most frustrating. It stops serious additions to
the discussion, and it stops people from reading those discussions. If an
argument has been mentioned, you do not need to repeat it endless times.
Sometimes we should just agree to disagree and move on. Sometimes you might
have to accept your loss in a discussion, and should not nag on about
something. (note this is not personal to you, Cimon, but the very general
"you" to everyone posting on this list.)

There are few people who stay most of the time on topic, and bring in
constantly new arguments. Maybe we should also just stop to want to give our
input on every single issue.

Best regards,

Effe

2008/3/2, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen <cimonavaro op gmail.com>:
>
> On 3/2/08, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton op gmail.com> wrote:
> > My advice as someone who may well be part of the problem: Don't make
> > general complaints and put people on moderation with vague
> > accusations. When someone sends an email that you don't think should
> > have been sent, reply to that email off-list explaining your why not.
> > Keep it specific and you'll get a better response.
> >
> >
>
>
> My advice as a Usenet veteran who has seen it all, done it all
> and whose T-shirt is moth-eaten, is to take a page from the
> playbook of [[James D. Nicoll]], (and no, I don't mean precipitating
> a "Nicoll event", just to be crystal clear), and either pledge openly
> or by cunning subterfuge, to start "not-stupid" thoughtful threads
> regularly. I think Mike Godwin will still remember this, and confirm
> my recollection, if need be.
>
> A historical recap to explain what I am referring to above;
> James D. Nicoll is known (among other things) for saving the
> Science Fiction related newsgroups from collapsing under the
> weight of dross, by making a public (what became known as a
> "Nicoll Pledge") promis to begin from time to time, threads
> that would be conducive to intelligent and thoughtful posts;
> thereby raising the tenor of discussion in the channel, and
> specifically giving people the chance to choose to participate
> in valuable threads rather than the ones which were essentially
> trivial.
>
> For my own part, I think I will attempt to do my best to start
> some discussions at least that have the potential to become
> thoughtful. (I think I have made some such tries before, but not
> yet with much success, and of course, I am as guilty as anyone
> of responding with trivial non-bon-mots, when the spirit moves me)
>
>
>
> Jussi-Ville Heiskanen, ~ [[User:Cimon Avaro]]
>
>
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