[Foundation-l] Baidupedia copyvio collections

Thu Jun 12 13:34:07 UTC 2008

As I understand it (correct me if I'm wrong), they substantially use our
content, but then do not include the GFDL or any links to it, and no
attribution.

On 6/12/08, David Goodman <dgoodmanny at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> do they copy as a mirror would, and then add articles of their own, or
> do they use the text as part of articles with additions & subtractions
> of their own?
>
> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 9:19 AM, Dan Rosenthal <swatjester at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > On 6/12/08, Henning Schlottmann <h.schlottmann at gmx.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> Titan Deng wrote:
> >> > We Chinese Wikipedians are now collecting Baidupedia articles which
> were
> >> > copied from Chinese Wikipedia.
> >>
> >> What is all that copyright, lawyer, enforcement, loose face stuff about?
> >>
> >> Last time I checked, Wikipedia was about disseminating free knowledge.
> >> Unfortunately the projects are blocked by the Chinese government, so
> >> people of the peoples republic have no access to our content, not the
> >> the parts that are deemed dangerous by the government, not to the other
> >> parts. Now someone takes at least some of the uncontroversial content
> >> and makes it available by copying into Baidu.
> >>
> >> Of course it would be nice if they would acknowledge the license and
> >> give proper attribution. But they can't - Wikipedia is banned and they
> >> can't name this source.
> >>
> >> But as our mission is to distribute our knowledge, I believe this is the
> >> second best way to distribute our articles, and the best available until
> >> the forces that are open up the Great Firewall.
> >>
> >> Ciao Henning [[user:h-stt]]
> >>
> >>
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> >
> >
> > Free knowledge does not mean that the information itself is unrestricted,
> > nor does it mean that the authors who make information free waive all of
> > their rights. We fundamentally require attribution to our authors under
> our
> > license. If Baidupedia is not respecting that, and are not in
> > compliance with the other terms of the GFDL, then it is very difficult to
> > say that they are working for the freedom of knowledge. Copyright
> > infringement != free knowledge. It == theft. By enforcing that other
> > websites respect the terms of the licenses our works are published under,
> we
> > are actually furthering free knowledge by giving our contributors some
> > assurances that their work will be protected and not abused. I know that
> I,
> > for one, would have second thoughts about some of my contributions if I
> knew
> > that it would be taken by another person and used under their name.
> That's
> > not free dissemination, its theft.
> >
> > -Dan
> >
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