[Foundation-l] Stalking Article

Tue Jun 10 09:18:07 UTC 2008

"We" are talking about people who threaten to maim, kill, and rape?
Perhaps YOU are, but some of the people on this thread have brought up
examples that seem relatively tame in comparison to what you're
suggesting.

Stalking on-wiki is one thing; threats to take it off-wiki and harass
somebody in real life are, in my mind, when the line is crossed.
Somebody's off-wiki life should never be brought up beyond anything
they have personally revealed on-wiki. For example, I have no reason
to be mad if somebody posts all over Wikipedia my last name, because I
put it on Wikipedia in the first place, but if somebody posts my home
address or telephone number, that is unacceptable because that is
private information I have never disclosed on-wiki.

Threats of real physical harm are one thing; following somebody around
the Wiki and shouting insults at them, while also unacceptable, is on
a very different level.

Mark

On 10/06/2008, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com> wrote:
> Ray,
> We are talking about people who on or off list threaten others to kill, maim
> and rape. We are talking about people associated with aggressive pov pushing
> and using any means whatsoever to establish their pov. There have been
> several examples given of this behaviour by credible people. Suggesting as
> you do that there is no idea that we are talking about it not where we are
> at.
>
> When YOU do not know what is being discussed you either read up on it, do
> some research, talk to people involved or keep out of it. Suggesting that
> there is no clarity about such issues is exactly the kind of behaviour that
> makes this situation worse because it leads to more procrastination. What is
> needed is clarity to what extend the WMF is aware of this situation and what
> involvement it can have, research is needed about the extend this type of
> behaviour DOES affect our project and impacts the NPOV of controversial
> subjects. This research is needed because it will prevent people from
> ignoring or belittling this issue.
>
> Thanks,
>        GerardM
>
> On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 9:29 AM, Ray Saintonge <saintonge at telus.net> wrote:
>
>> Mark Williamson wrote:
>> > In response to this whole thread, I have two sentiments.
>> >
>> > First of all, stalking is bad.
>> >
>> > Second of all, we need to be clear about what is stalking and what is
>> > not. Making fun of someone is not stalking. Pursuing someone and
>> > repeatedly harassing them is.
>> >
>> Sure, without a clear idea about what the offence really is we are only
>> dealing with subjective interpretations.
>>
>> Repeated harassment may sometimes be only in the eye of the person who
>> sees himself harassed.
>>
>> We have recently had one person try to get a bot authorised on every
>> project that he could, and viewed anyone who would go around after him
>> to oppose this as harassment.
>>
>> Others will view any campaign to oppose all their AfD's as harassment.
>>
>> Unless we can come to an agreement about what we mean this will get
>> nowhere.
>>
>> Ec
>>
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