[Foundation-l] Wikimedia mouvement

Sun Jun 8 21:25:44 UTC 2008

Gerard Meijssen wrote:
> Hoi,
> One of the wiki things is that you do NOT have to have your house completely
> in order, it is ok that you are working on it...

Correct. But I am not suggesting a "wiki movement". I am suggesting that 
the organizations currently dedicated to support the wikimedia projects 
get a publicly visible site where they can explain what they are doing 
to help the wikimedia projects and where they can share practices and 
attract more good will and support.

  We are clearly trying to do
> our best and I expect that we will never find it good enough. When this
> means that we should not reach out, when it means that we cannot be part of
> the wiki movement, I would consider it a tragedy, a lost opportunity .. in
> some way a failure.

I did not call this "wiki movement". See the object of this message. It 
is explicitely called "wikimedia mo(typo)vement". Now, if the term 
"movement" is being a problem to you, we can call it "wikimedia network" 
or even "wikimedia organizations network".

> When the idea is to improve our WMF communications ... sure ... who is
> included ? what is the aim ?

The idea I have in mind is not to improve WMF communications (whatever 
this might means). The idea is
* to explain what we do and how we do it
* to share ideas and practices amongst ourselves
* to attract new volunteers

ant

> Thanks,
>       GerardM
> 
> On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 10:34 PM, Milos Rancic <millosh at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 10:06 PM, Gerard Meijssen
>> <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> In the Wiki movement the Wikimedia Foundation, its projects, its chapters
>>> are vitally important. When you want to call this a movement however, it
>> is
>>> equally important to reach out and recognise the part other organisations
>>> and projects play.
>>>
>>> When you call it the "Wikimedia movement" and invoke trademark rules to
>>> exclude, as a movement it will be limited. Its potential relevance
>> limited.
>>> It is for this reason that I suggest to be clearly inclusive or
>> exclusive.
>>> When we choose to be exclusive, there is still room for a wiki movement,
>> it
>>> saddens me that the "Wikimedia movement" will be as a consequence less
>>> relevant in this wiki movement.
>> I think that the situation is complex. We have a need to make wider
>> movement, while we didn't solve problems in our house. So, maybe the
>> time is to make something which wouldn't pretend to call itself as a
>> "movement", but to make communication between different organized
>> groups inside of Wikimedia better, as well as their presentation to
>> outsiders. When we put it at the legs, we would be able to think about
>> free knowledge movement.
>>
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