[Foundation-l] Fwd: Tokipona

Mon Jan 21 17:26:53 UTC 2008

Hoi,
Tokipona will not be considered at all until there is an ISO-639-3 language
code for it. When it has a code, it will still have to conform to other
requirements for languages. (check out the policy on this)
Thanks,
      GerardM

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Language_proposal_policy

On Jan 21, 2008 5:55 PM, Michael Bimmler <mbimmler at gmail.com> wrote:

> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Kurt Leesmeister <danrike at gmail.com>
> Date: Jan 21, 2008 9:33 AM
> Subject: Tokipona
> To: foundation-l-owner at lists.wikimedia.org
>
>
> Thank you very much for the information. But I would like to say a few
> words about it.
> I can imagine that you didn't make the decision that the
> tokipona-wikipedia should be closed or not even be opened. But I
> disagree with Andrew Whitworth.
> Constructed languages belong to the pool of languages summarized in
> wikipedia. It is true that some languages might not be necessary but
> who should decide this? Languages like volapük, esperanto or ido are
> constructed languages and nobody can say that their importance is
> limited to a few people. The volapük-wikipedia summarizes more than
> 100.000 articles, esperante nearly 95.000 articles, ido reached the
> 15.000 article-limit. Does this mean that a constructed language is
> neglegable? I don't think so. Andrew Whitworth mentioned that a
> language like tokipona doesn't help to improve communication between
> people. Its true that there is nobody who exclusively speaks tokipona
> but who does exclusevely speak esperanto or volapük? This is not only
> limited to constructed languages? Who does exclusevely speak latin?
> Presumably the antient Romans had been the last. Is this a reason why
> a Latin wikipedia shouldn't exist? Fortunaletely this criterium wasn't
> used.
> Tokipona was constructed for one reason. It should be as simple as
> possible. This should help even those people without skills for
> learning languages to find a new medium to communicate with others. A
> wikipedia in tokipona would be a great step in this direction.
> The reason why there are wikipedias for constructed languages should
> be the reason to open the tokipona-wikipedia. Equality for constructed
> languages should be a principle that should be followed. John Lennons
> "Give peace a chance" should be modified to "Give tokipona a chance"!
> I can imagine that you can't decide whether a tokipona-wikipedia will
> be reopended or not but I hope you can forward my mail to a forum that
> can re-think the decision.
>
> I will be pleased hearing from you.
>
> Kurt
>
>
> Although (like the others below suggest), the Tokipona wikis probably
> aren't going to be re-opened, you can still contribute to the Tokipona
> Wikia: < http://tokipona.wikia.com/wiki/lipu_lawa >.
> On Jan 18, 2008 12:04 PM, Andrew Whitworth <wknight8111 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jan 18, 2008 11:40 AM, Ian A Holton < poeloq at gmail.com > wrote:
> > > As I wrote about yesterday on the WikiEN-l, is it really necessary to
> > > have languages that are not primary languages of at least a decent
> sized
> > > group of people. Toki Pona is a contructed language that isn't going
> to
> > > enable more to people to edit or read Wikipedia.
> >
> > I agree with this. New language projects should be created as a way to
> > faciliate the sharing of information. Small constructed languages
> > represent little more then code or encryption, and those by definition
> > are barriers to communications. It would be different if, for some
> > people, Toki Pona was their natural, primary, or only spoken language.
> > In that case, toki pona would be the only method of communication for
> > this hypothetical group of people, and creating a project for them
> > would help to facilitate the sharing of information.
> >
> > I see no benefit in creating a project which only a small group of
> > people edit and nobody outside that group can read.
> >
> > --Andrew Whitworth
> >
> >
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