[Foundation-l] Allemanic and Albanian - conditional approval for Gheg

Fri Jan 4 15:17:01 UTC 2008

Hoi,
If you want to know what Ethnologue has to say about Albanian read
http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=sqi The process that came
to differentiate Albanian into a macro language and its four languages is
formal and public.
Thanks,
    GerardM

On Jan 4, 2008 3:04 PM, Ilario Valdelli <valdelli at gmail.com> wrote:

> This strange Ethnologue... What is Albanian? What is Ghegh? What is Tosk?
>
> Standard Albanian seems to be a "revised form of Tosk", in any case a
> written Tosk.
>
> Will we have a Wikipedia written in Tosk? I don't think so. Will we
> have a spoken Wikipedia in Tosk? I don't think so.
>
> If you read in detail Ethnologue
> (http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=als) you can see
> some confusion: "Language use -> Official language. It is used in
> schools." I know that Albanian is the official language of Albania and
> not the Tosk. Is there some little usual confusion of Ethnologue?
>
> Il could be a misundersting but about the Gheg
> (http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=aln) I can read:
> "Language use -> Official regional language in Kossovo. Vigorous.
> Books are published in Gheg. Restrictions on Albanian at Kossovo's
> university since 1990."
>
> It's not a misunderstanding for Ethnologue Albanian=Tosk. But the ISO
> code are generated without any consideration and we have magically als
> for Tosk and sqi for Albanian. I am a little bit confused: the
> official language of Albania is it the Tosk or the Albanian, or the
> two languages are the same language?
>
> IMHO sqi=als and Albanian Wikipedia is sufficient to include Tosk.
>
> Ilario
>
> On Jan 4, 2008 11:48 AM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hoi,
> > Currently the Allemannic Wikipedia is known under the name
> als.wikipedia.org.
> > This code is wrong as the code is reserved for Tosk, the main Albanian
> > language. We are about to give Gheg, another Albanian language
> conditional
> > approval. As it will be hard to explain to some why we give Tosk
> conditional
> > approval, it is decidedly awkward that Allemanic is using the wrong
> code.
> >
> > I want to propose that the Allemanic Wikipedia is renamed to
> > gsw.wikipedia.org and thereby associate the language with the correct
> > ISO-639 code. The rename is opposed by people in the Allemanic Wikipedia
> > because they do not agree with how their language is perceived.
> > However, gsw<http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=gsw>has
> > Alemannisch as a synonym for Schwyzerdütsch and it is therefore
> > obvious
> > that the same language is meant.
> >
> > Given that there was no contention in the language committee, the
> request
> > for a Gheg Wikipedia is given conditional approval.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >      GerardM
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