[Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia-wide global blocking mechanism?

Fri Feb 1 14:33:27 UTC 2008

The problem with opt-out is that a wiki must know this
even *exists* in order to opt-out.  So if you are
capable of notifing all the village pumps in a
language they can comprehend, this is reasonable.  If
you are not capable of that, opt-out is not
reasonable.  If this is mainly for wiki's with no
community, then allow stewards to "opt-in" such
wiki's. If they have no community, they will not
object. 

Birgitte SB

--- effe iets anders <effeietsanders at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I agree with your concerns. However, currently a
> similar system is
> already active, proxyblocker. This system blocks
> some (I dont know how
> many) proxies, detected somewhere in 2005. Dont
> worry, no new blocks
> are being added, but some are still in place. The
> user just gets a
> message that he is blocked by proxyblocker. We could
> pick a logical
> name to appear in the message, that would point to
> meta. Maybe
> CrosswikiBlocker, or VandalbotBlocker or something.
> 
> Opt-in is not workable. This new thing is mainly for
> wiki's with no
> community. You can only opt in if you have a
> community. Hence, opt in
> would not work. After all, the stewards mainly have
> to block bots on
> wiki's with no or almost no normal edits. when there
> are people
> around, and they have sysops and a community, they
> can handle it
> themselves generally. However, I would plea for
> opt-out.
> 
> For the unblocking, I do not think that should be a
> major issue, if we
> would choose for a maximum of a block in the range
> of 1 day-1week. In
> that case, the chance that someone is affected by
> that block, but is
> not the person who was doing the malicious edits, is
> quite slim.
> Furthermore, that person will survive to wait a day
> or a week, no big
> harm done. If it proofs to be a major blocker for a
> specific
> community, ie they would only have one IP for a
> whole country or
> something, they could opt out.
> 
> BR, Eia
> 
> 2008/1/31, Birgitte SB <birgitte_sb at yahoo.com>:
> >
> > --- Andrew Gray <shimgray at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On 31/01/2008, Birgitte SB
> <birgitte_sb at yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > This is the key problem.  I think that unless
> we
> > > are
> > > > capable of notifing all wikis of about the
> > > workings of
> > > > this process in a language they are proficient
> > > taking
> > > > blocks Wikimedia wide will cause a lot of
> harm.
> > > Of
> > > > course an opt-in system would be very
> workable.
> > >
> > > Would logging it in the local block-log system
> be an
> > > acceptable method
> > > of notification?
> >
> > I was more thinking first about a notification
> that
> > this ability even *exists* before addressing
> > notification individual blocks. However regarding
> > individual blocks what language are you proposing
> the
> > local log entry be written in?
> >
> > The only reasonable way to do this is to have the
> log
> > entries be a consistent pre-arranged formula that
> > links to a local page explaining the system in the
> > local language.  The best way to ensure that all
> this
> > is set-up is to use an opt-in system that requires
> > these things be set-up before blocks .
> >
> > Anything else means some wiki(s) will wake up one
> day
> > to realize there are inexplicable blocks in place.
> > Likely with logs entries they cannot read.  And
> very
> > likely when they start making inquiries no one
> will be
> > able to explain what has happened to them own
> language
> > leading to further misunderstandings.
> >
> > Seriously make a system to handle these blocks and
> > require every wiki wishing to join the system file
> a
> > bug and things will go much more smoothly.  If the
> > stewards find they are doing tedious manual blocks
> on
> > a certain wiki, they can encourage the that wiki
> to
> > file the bug.
> >
> > Birgitte SB
> >
> >
> >      
>
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