[Foundation-l] Ancient Greek Wikipedia, possible reconsideration

Wed Apr 16 18:22:10 UTC 2008

Hoi,
A code describes what something is. When you talk about Greek, we have a
Wikipedia in Greek; it is the el.wikipedia.org. We have a request for Pontic
Greek and it has been advanced to the "eligible" state; localisation is
under way currently 57.55% of the most used messages, the incubator project
is doing nicely. When you talk about "Greek" we already support two
varieties of Greek.

Ancient Greek has been extinct. If you want to have a Wikipedia, in my
opinion it needs to be clearly marked as NOT being the ancient Greek as you
would read it in a Wikisource. It clearly is not the same. According to the
definitions, it would be a reconstructed language. I had a talk with someone
from SIL, they would consider a code for reconstructed languages. The fact
that scholars do not consider the modern usage of ancient languages is for
me not that much of an issue, it is not their business really to tag
languages.

Reconstructed languages are in my opinion just another type of constructed
language. I disagree with Pathoschild strongly about his insistence on
native speakers.

Thanks,
     GerardM

On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 4:23 AM, Crazy Lover <always_yours.forever at yahoo.com>
wrote:

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> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com>
> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 1:37:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Ancient Greek Wikipedia
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> Hoi,
> Greek is understood to be understood to have several
> branches<http://www.ethnologue.com/show_family.asp?subid=90066>.
> Koine is according to Ethnologue part of "Ancient Greek". This is Greek
> until 1453 AD according to the ISO standard. Now when the definition of
> "Ancient" is wrongly applied, get this addressed at the appropriate
> places.
> This is the right way to approach this. Again, this is most likely to lead
> to a new code to acknowledge modern usage.
> Thanks,
>      GerardM
>
> for gerard and pathoschild
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> for you, is very important the need of a new class of ISO code? for
> opening a Wikipedia?
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> 1.- Ancient is a neccesary adjective for differenciating with modern greek
> (native language), a different language (with its own gramar, sintaxis,
> etc). it needs even if is used in contemporanean context. unless the modern
> language no longer called "Greek". i guess, it is imposible.
>
> 2.- if you read my  last post. you realize that even scholars don't
> differentiate extint languages that are still in use  and the ones aren't
>  to (the unique factor considered is the lack native speaker and no more).
> don't exist a concept for them. it is the perpetual problem of all the
> social science, the lack of accurate terms. (latin has also a code of extint
> language)
>
> if ISO base its decision in these concepts. don't you  believe that is
> practically imposible the creation of a new Kind of Code?
>
> inevitably, it has to be used. does not exist another code for identifying
> ancient greek.
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> 3.- with a sense of fair, if, i think, it has been more o less clear that
> ancient greek is still in use in many contexts. you would think is a moment
> to rethink the decission, woun't you think has been excessively
> restrictived?
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