[Foundation-l] Criteria for the closure of projects.

Fri Apr 11 10:37:27 UTC 2008

Hoi,
My time is better spend supporting OmegaWiki and Betawiki. The way I try to
accomplish things is different from you. My time is better spend doing the
things that I do. The things that I understand. I said it before, we want by
and large the same thing but we go about it in a different way. You way of
doing things does not work for me. And yes, I do support particular
languages .. to do that I exchanged for instance e-mails with a professor
today.
Thanks,
      GerardM

On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Mark Williamson <node.ue at gmail.com> wrote:

> >  At the same time there is an increasing group of people that object to
> all
> >  the projects that are for intends and purposes dead. The creation of
> the
> >  Incubator, the policies of the language committee and now the proposed
> >  criteria for the closure of projects are all intended to make sure that
> >  there are some minimal criteria that intend to ensure that as many
> projects
> >  as possible will do well.
>
> Let them object. Their criteria seem to be far less stringent than
> yours -- the vote to close the Chamorro Wikipedia ended at a
> standstill with no clear consensus either way. If people want to vote
> to close the Kanuri Wikipedia, as they already did, then why can't we
> let them?
>
> >  I am not God, and you are not a boy putting his finger in the dyke. We
> both
> >  cannot prevent people to object to moribund projects. What we can do is
> stem
> >  the flow and provide objective criteria that will streamline the flow
> and in
> >  that way we can prevent damage.
>
> Damage, of what type? Any time somebody has made a seemingly frivolous
> proposal (although both proposals had good reasons: Lombard and
> Yiddish), it was soundly defeated in a poll. And if anyone ever voted
> to close a Wikipedia that should obviously remain open by any sane
> criteria (say, Catalan or Venetian), I am confident that someone would
> intervene.
>
> >  Jimmy has his contacts, the WMF has its contacts, I have mine and so do
> you.
> >  When we want to have more languages supported with a Wikipedia we can
> tell
> >  them about it, we can be enthusiastic about it but in the final
> analysis it
> >  is the people that have to do the work. You can lead a horse to water,
> you
> >  cannot make it drink.
>
> The problem is that we are not leading enough "horses" right now. When
> is the last time you have e-mailed a Guamanian guy to let him know
> that the Chamorro Wikipedia exists? Or asked for help from some
> organization that aims to promote the culture of the Marshall Islands?
> These people and organizations do exist, and I (and others) have
> solicited similar help before for other projects, with some success.
> It's been a while since I sent such an e-mail, but I have found they
> helped with: Malagasy, Maltese, Sicilian, Friulian, and several
> others.
>
> Mark
>
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