[Foundation-l] Wikimedia contacts

Mon Nov 12 21:18:20 UTC 2007

That has got to be the king of all straw man arguments.

Philippe

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From: "White Cat" <wikipedia.kawaii.neko at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 1:25 PM
To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" <foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia contacts

> So you are saying freenode staffers lie? They told me to contact the
> foundation should I have problems resolving the issue with the
> wikimedia contacts. There needs to be a backup system and I am seeking
> the establishment of it.
>
> Do you remember the chaos stemming from the Essjay controversy? He was
> (to my knowledge) the IRC contact at the time. I seriously doubt
> similar problems will surface with JamesF or seanw but should
> something happen where would people go?
>
> The foundation should be prepared for such situations.
>
>        - White Cat
>
> On Nov 12, 2007 8:29 PM, Michael Bimmler <mbimmler at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 12, 2007 7:15 PM, White Cat <wikipedia.kawaii.neko at gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> > OTRS? Under whose directive do the have greater authority than
>> > wikimedia contacts? They certainly are not the right address for such
>> > issues.
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>> >
>> > I already explained this issue cannot be resolved on IRC JamesF is
>> > busy. Seanw may help but this issue probably exceeded his deputy role
>> > as a deputy contact.
>> >
>>
>> How so?
>>
>> > My complaint isn't over the specific issue involving me. We have a
>> > large gap between the foundation and the wikimedia contacts. If users
>> > have problems with wikimedia contacts or if the wikimedia contacts are
>> > not available for whatever the reason I should be able to resolve the
>> > issue somehow. Right now thats the gap and the point of this inquiry.
>> >
>> The issue is that the foundation has declined and (to my knowledge)
>> further declines to become involved with IRC by officialising the
>> current inofficial 'Wikimedia' group on Freenode. You can like this or
>> not, but as long as the foundation is not involved with this,
>> foundation-l is the wrong place to discuss it. Full stop.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
>> >        - White Cat
>> >
>> > On Nov 12, 2007 7:59 PM, Michael Bimmler <mbimmler at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > On Nov 12, 2007 6:53 PM, Comet styles <cometstyles at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > Discussions should be done of IRC and not taken to mailing lists 
>> > > > but
>> > > > it that depends on the circumstances surrounding the discussion in
>> > > > which case talk to channel contacts and if they can't solve it, 
>> > > > take
>> > > > it to OTRS.
>> > >
>> > > I agree with everything up to the last point. How and why on earth
>> > > should OTRS people be asked to deal with such things? At least some 
>> > > of
>> > > the OTRS people don't even use IRC and I don't why they, as Wikimedia
>> > > Support Team, should become involved with intra-community issues...
>> > >
>> > > Michael
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On Nov 13, 2007 4:32 AM, White Cat 
>> > > > <wikipedia.kawaii.neko at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > > Where am I supposed to post it then?
>> > > > >
>> > > > >     - White Cat
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On Nov 12, 2007 6:25 PM, Pedro Sanchez <pdsanchez at gmail.com> 
>> > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > > On Nov 12, 2007 6:13 AM, Aphaia <aphaia at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > > > > Hello,
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > On Nov 12, 2007 8:52 PM, Dan Collins <en.wp.st47 at gmail.com> 
>> > > > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > And finally, why are we discussing this on foundation-l?
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Thanks for pointing it out. Possibly to reassure that 
>> > > > > > > particular IRC
>> > > > > > > channel issues are off topic on this mailinglist basically, 
>> > > > > > > and this
>> > > > > > > incident (or those?) are sure falling in this off-topic 
>> > > > > > > category, I
>> > > > > > > suppose ...
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > So, it is so off-topic that I'd like to avoid giving my 
>> > > > > > > opinion about
>> > > > > > > that here on the list. Perhaps many of others too.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Cheers,
>> > > > > > > --
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>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Yes this is SO offtopic:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2007-June/030884.html
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
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