[Foundation-l] #wikipedia

Wed Jun 20 11:08:23 UTC 2007

> There is a need for interwiki-communication is something I hear often.
> people are not able to get together and think about general solutions
> together. The only channel being used for that kind of stuff is
> #wikimedia , but to be honest, that is more
> foundation/organization-related, not project-based.

Precisely. If we could raise issues in the channel that really are
affecting multiple places, it's great. As you say, #wikimedia is
definately more geared towards WMF, and #wikipedia is appropriate for
project-related matters.

> And *please* remember that not everybody is from en.wikipedia . The
> mistake of admin is one often made. If someone searches for an enwiki
> admin, he should actually search in #wikipedia-en . It is just setting
> the links in the helppages straight, and most of the people will go
> the right way.

While I agree with you in principle, I personally do not believe that
talk about a specific project is harmful until it stops another
project being discussed. We do advertise that #wikipedia is for
projects that don't have a sufficiently active channel of their own.

All the same, it is important to remember that not everyone is enwiki,
as you say.

Sean

On 20/06/07, effe iets anders <effeietsanders at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have to say, that I like the channel as it is constructed now much
> more. Some pepole will want to move to the social channel now, I can
> only encourage that if that is the chat they are searching. Please
> consider a few points:
>
> *All Wikimediaprojects which are on IRC have their channel as in
> #projectname-langcode , for example #wikibooks-nl . Why would
> en.wikipedia be an example?
>
> The channel was often flooding with off topic talk, when I came there
> for help (yes, even a steward needs help sometimes) no-one was
> responding often, due to the heavy offtopic conversations about star
> trek and indeed politics, generally americal politics. If there was a
> respond, it was not possible to find it in the flood when are not
> using a irc client with highlighting (such as javachat).
>
> There is a need for interwiki-communication is something I hear often.
> people are not able to get together and think about general solutions
> together. The only channel being used for that kind of stuff is
> #wikimedia , but to be honest, that is more
> foundation/organization-related, not project-based.
>
> Freenode is a big network, and contains a lot of channels. I think it
> is not so very weird to move from channel, if you want a social talk,
> just go to the appropriate channel. If the social talk is a short
> spin-off of a Wikipedia-related issue, I guess there is nobody banging
> on your head.
>
> Yes, you are allowed (of course) to change from network. If you really
> feel that you cannot operate anymore in Freenode, you are free to
> choose another network, and go there. Consider however, that it is not
> as much Freenode you are having problems with here, you just disagree
> on a few rules for *one channel*. I guess it is easier then to set up
> another channel, such as ##Wikipedia .
>
> And *please* remember that not everybody is from en.wikipedia . The
> mistake of admin is one often made. If someone searches for an enwiki
> admin, he should actually search in #wikipedia-en . It is just setting
> the links in the helppages straight, and most of the people will go
> the right way.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Lodewijk
>
> 2007/6/20, Dejan Čabrilo <dcabrilo at gmail.com>:
> > On Wed, 2007-06-20 at 10:28 +0200, Guillaume Paumier wrote:
> > > Because Sean is one of our two IRC group contacts for Wikimedia (with
> > > James_F), member of Freenode staff (you know, this network you are using and
> > > whose rules you have accepted a long time ago).
> >
> > Can we consider changing the network then, if our community and FreeNode
> > can't get along?
> >
> > > Admin on which project ? #wikipedia is supposed to be about the global
> > > Wikipedia project, if you wish to find admins of a dedicated project, you
> > > had better join the dedicated channel (I guess your sentence was
> > > English-language-Wikipedia-centric, so in that case the dedicated channel is
> > > #wikipedia-en, just like there is #wikipedia-fr or #wikipedia-de).
> >
> > Usually admins on en.wikipedia. Several people used #wikipedia to
> > contact me for help, as I'm an admin on sh.wikipedia, and our channel is
> > mostly empty. It's easier to have a centralized place where people can
> > both direct you and help you.
> >
> > > Because someone had to do it. Sean was only bold enough to dare doing it.
> >
> > I am bold enough to go and reconstruct AfD on en.wikipedia. But I don't
> > think changing the rules and desysoping all the admins that took part in
> > it would be a way to go.
> >
> > > Sean, I think you should make it publicly clear what the problems were, so
> > > that people really understand why your action was needed.
> >
> > So, Sean should tell us why the channel we were in had problems?
> >
> > Dejan Čabrilo
> >
> >
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