[Foundation-l] Mission/Vision Statement

Tue Jan 9 16:55:33 UTC 2007

I regret your style of discussing: both on Anthony (with whom i
disagree) and on me your result in personal attacks. Could you please
refrain from them?

Or is this attitude customary on wikimedia mailing lists?

thx
teun

On 1/8/07, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hoi,
> You make the issue too simple. When I am to be asked if I want
> advertisements, than the answer is no. When /you /are to be asked do you
> want response times that are on average 50 seconds, than the answer is
> likely to be no as well.
>
> When you say that billions are spend on adverts, then you hit the
> jackpot. This is indeed one place where we can find the money to
> continue the upward trend that we have both in content, in bandwidth, in
> people using our content/people contributing to our content, in
> languages and in projects. My problem with your stance is that you
> provide no credible alternative in the face of a demonstrated need for
> money. The current budget ignores all the things we could do if we had
> indeed more money than needed for our immediate requirements.
>
> To demonstrate that you can think differently; in a contract for adds,
> you could specify that organisations can not advertise on their own page
> and on the page of their competitor. This would wipe away your Micro$oft
> inspired comment.
>
> PS When will you start taking the real issue seriously? The issue is we
> need MORE money and we will need EVEN MORE money given our growth rate.
>
> Thanks,
>     GerardM
>
>
> teun spaans schreef:
> > Thx,
> >
> > Indeed, I'd like to make clear that our vision should encompass both
> > kinds of "free".
> >
> > Advertisements are likely to tarnish the strictly neutral image of our
> > projects. take the example of the Microsoft articles on wikipedia.
> > Microsoft the company, and articles on their products.
> > Using the google context ad-aware system, the most logical ads would
> > be for exactly ... uh, these microsoft products. You cant fool me -
> > even if the people could easily distinguish articles and ads,
> > unconsciously they would be influenced.
> >
> > Waerth en GerardM argued that people ignore ads. If they were right,
> > companies would no longer spend a dime on ads. But they are spending
> > billions on them.
> >
> > teun
> >
> > On 1/6/07, Anthony <wikilegal at inbox.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On 1/5/07, Teun Spaans <teun.spaans at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Anthony,
> >>>
> >>> what, according to you, is the place to speak up?
> >>>
> >>>
> >> This thread is certainly a good place.  If you think "without
> >> advertisements" should be added to the mission statement, suggest it.
> >> It would be interesting to see who, if anyone, objects.
> >>
> >>
> >>> I have considered this mailinglist as the place to speak up, anywhere else?
> >>>
> >>>
> >> There's a talk page for that mission statement draft.  Not sure where
> >> else it's being discussed.
> >>
> >> Anthony
>
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