[Foundation-l] Welcome Sue !

Thu Dec 20 00:42:51 UTC 2007

The problem here is that the rock she's turning over is "Oh, look,
I've become controversial, and people want me out of the loop because
of that!  Isn't this a scandal?"

Kelly's claim is that this is an in-crowd cultish behavior.  It's also
interpretable as attention seeking drama.

There could be cultish behavior on internal lists (I am not on any
such list, so I haven't got any evidence either way).  But I find that
in general, people behave in private much like they behave in public,
but with moderately less restraint.

-george

On Dec 19, 2007 4:25 PM, Ben Yates <ben.louis.yates at gmail.com> wrote:
> Kelly is sensationalist, but she's sharp.  She has a rare combination
> of deep knowledge about wikipedia and a deep suspicion of everyone and
> everything (by contrast, the harshest wikipedia critics have
> traditionally been woefully misinformed about how the project works),
> which means she turns over rocks that other people don't.
>
> Frankly, I think insiders need to start displaying more humility.
> There's a bit of a PR crisis going on.  If kelly makes valid points in
> a needlessly abrasive way, nobody's going to win an argument against
> her by saying she's a troll.
>
>
> On Dec 19, 2007 4:57 PM, Nathan Awrich <nawrich at gmail.com> wrote:
> > If I had to decide which set of statements is more poisonous (and
> > pointless) I'd run with Kelly Martin's. Invective seems to be her
> > style, and I guess as she's found it hasn't been very productive in
> > achieving her goal (whatever that may be). On the other hand, she has
> > got all kinds of sources! Each post apparently has a whole set of
> > secret sources! (At least three this time, but maybe more?) Anonymous
> > sources, who also post to her blog anonymously... Was this the irony
> > she was referring to?
> >
> > On the other hand, regarding private lists - have you considered
> > making the community lists publically viewable but only allowing the
> > specific group of people you've identified to post? By community lists
> > I mean lists with contributors who aren't officially connected to or
> > bound by WMF. Internal communications, in keeping with the standard
> > corporate meaning, should include people internal to the actual
> > organizational structure who are bound by confidentiality agreements.
> >
> > Just in general terms, anything you say to a semi-public audience will
> > eventually leak - better to just address the public audience first,
> > and say only what you wouldn't mind everyone hearing. And when Kelly
> > comments, don't feed.
> >
> >
> > Nathan
> >
> >
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