[Foundation-l] David Shankbone in Israel

Wed Dec 19 14:26:55 UTC 2007

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Israel_Journal:_The_Holy_Land_has_an_image_problem

This works.

On Dec 19, 2007 9:22 AM, Nathan Awrich <nawrich at gmail.com> wrote:
> Link appears to be broken.
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> On Dec 19, 2007 8:59 AM, Brian McNeil <brian.mcneil at wikinewsie.org> wrote:
> > You've made your opinion perfectly clear on-wiki. I am seeking a wider
> > consultation, not a continuation of that argument in a different venue.
> >
> >
> > Brian McNeil
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: foundation-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org
> > [mailto:foundation-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of
> > wikinewssvt at optonline.net
> > Sent: 19 December 2007 14:48
> > To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List
> >
> > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] David Shankbone in Israel
> >
> > In my opinion, the first-hand story-telling nature of this article, is a
> > clear violation of WN:NPOV which is not just a Wikinews policy, but also a
> > Foundation issue (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Neutral_point_of_view).
> >
> > Don't get me wrong, it is great journalism, which could prove to be a coup
> > for Wikinews, raising its profile. However, it is incongruent with existing
> > policies.
> >
> > Ultimately, I fear that allowing this may be like opening Pandora's box.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > SVTCobra
> > (http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/User:SVTCobra)
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Brian McNeil
> > Date: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 5:09 am
> > Subject: [Foundation-l] David Shankbone in Israel
> > To: 'Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List'
> > Cc: David Shankbone
> >
> > > David Shankbone's first report from Israel
> > >
> > (http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Israel_Journal:_The_Holy_Land_has_an_image_prob
> > > lem) has provoked a bit of controversy. One reaction I got was
> > > "why the
> > > segue into the COO issue?" It annoys me to see that the MSM are
> > > now picking
> > > this up (the COO issue) and whilst The Register broke the story
> > > I don't
> > > think they did anything beyond fact-check what their source told them.
> > > Details from Wikinews' investigation have been lifted and
> > > written into
> > > recent coverage of the issue, we did check the Reg. story and we
> > > found more
> > > - including bankruptcy proceedings (PACER will give you a list
> > > of the
> > > creditors).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Anyway, back to David in Israel, and I assume a fair number of
> > > people are
> > > aware this is an expenses-paid trip where the Israeli government
> > > and friends
> > > are footing the bill. David's first piece seeks to say "here is the
> > > stereotype, but that's not what I'm here for". If you read the
> > > talk you'll
> > > see we have some people think you can't do any story about
> > > Israel without
> > > going "OMG! Israel-Palestine! Car bombs! Terrorists! Human rights
> > > violations! Israeli oppression!". I agree with David's argument
> > > that this is
> > > like saying every coverage of the U.S. should have an aside
> > > about Camp Delta
> > > in Guantanamo - and I *know* people who'd do that too - we've
> > > had to ban
> > > idiots like that from Wikinews in the past.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I'd like people on the list to read this with a critical eye and
> > > see what
> > > they think about Wikinews developing policies and structure to
> > > allow this
> > > sort of reporting. Keep any eye out for David's forthcoming
> > > reports. The
> > > indications I have from private email are that they're keeping their
> > > journalist guests busy about 12-14 hours a day and if they don't have
> > > breakfast with Israeli technologists it's probably the only meal
> > > of the day
> > > they're getting off the job. Not a holiday by any means.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Brian McNeil
> > >
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