[Foundation-l] Language subcommittee vs Montenegrin language - show time over again

Fri Apr 13 14:13:46 UTC 2007

In short, if Lang SubCom existed in the time of separation of
Serbo-Croatian Wikipedia, Serbo-Croatian projects would be the only
project.

On 4/13/07, Mark Williamson <node.ue at gmail.com> wrote:
> Something you guys are REALLY bad at, and already infamous for, is
> sending tonnes of meaningless empty replies that not only fail to
> address the issues, but pretty much fail to address anything at all.
>
> "Hoi,
> We promised to do this.
> We have made our decision.
> The reason for our decision is: our decision is final.
> We had a careful discussion of all the issues."
>
> Then someone asks: "What did you discuss? Can we read the discussion?"
> the answer will be:
>
> "Hoi,
> We discussed these important issues. We will not be influenced by
> politics. Our decision is final. We had a careful discussion of all
> the issues. We do not accept political arguments like yours. We
> include a broad range of experts to help implement our policies."
>
> I think everybody is tired of this ****. Can you just answer
> questions? For once?
>
> Mark
>
> On 13/04/07, GerardM <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hoi,
> > When the LC became functional, the decisions were according to the policies
> > that we subscribe to. Where you state that the Montenegrin proposal is the
> > victim of this. I can only state that this is a matter of history.
> >
> > In the way the arguments were produced in the past, they were political and
> > based on "entitlements" because of the existence of other South Slavic
> > language projects. These arguments were then as now rejected.
> >
> > When I refer to the time before there was a LC, I do not single out any
> > specific project. If you have an interest in these matters you know what is
> > different and by inference the things that we address in this way. The LC is
> > not a talking shop, I have no interest in endlessly rehashing the same
> > arguments
> >
> > When you accuse the LC of personal opinions, I have to stress that the
> > committee has included people from outside the WMF to broaden its base. This
> > is how we hope to implement our policies in a way whereby the policy is a
> > guideline and not a nose around our neck.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >     GerardM
> >
> > On 4/13/07, Darko Bulatovic <mail at itam.ws> wrote:
> > >
> > > GerardM,
> > >
> > > I am glad that you joined this topic. Can you please tell me what
> > > discussion you referring to?
> > >
> > > That one from November, when request was under attack and when our test
> > > wiki was attacked and vandalized? That discussion?  It was strange to me
> > > at that time that LSC just made change in policy after Montenegrin
> > > request. And it was ruled by new policy even it was finished under old
> > > one. So can I conclude that Montenegrin wikipedia was unwanted result:
> > > > The reason
> > > > for having a language committee in stead of the votes system of the past
> > > is
> > > > because these votes created unwanted results.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Or maybe you have referred to this one which is deliberately spamed  to
> > > not let any reasonable discussion?
> > >
> > > Please can you be more specific.
> > >
> > > > The language committee does not want to comment of projects that were
> > > > started in the past. It is not helpful and it makes no difference.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > Why not? Is there any analyzed data which we could use as comparison and
> > > justify this method that LSC use now? Because I just see that LSC
> > > declared some tight rules that are not that tight, they are represented
> > > like that, and they are solely dependable on personal opinion not on
> > > wide acceptance. If you remember I have posted opinion of numerous
> > > respected linguists.
> > >
> > >
> > > Thank you
> > >
> > > Darko
> > >
> > >
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