[Foundation-l] complaining to ISPs

Fri Aug 4 20:14:41 UTC 2006

Jeff Merkey -- defender of American Indians, defeater of Asian ISPs.

Wikipedia could technically set up such an extreme system, but it would
cause too many people to be blocked at once, and thus less people can edit
(Jimmy-Jimmy seems to like allowing everyone to edit). Also, such high
levels of blocking could give us a bad name.

But I'd implement it.

On 8/4/06, Jeff V. Merkey <jmerkey at wolfmountaingroup.com> wrote:
>
> James Hare wrote:
>
> >Oooh! War of attrition!
> >
> >James approves.
> >
> >
> I had to do the same thing to chinanet and several other asian ISPs as
> well -- they remain blocked -- permanently.
>
> Jeff
>
> >
> >On 8/4/06, Jeffrey V. Merkey <jmerkey at wolfmountaingroup.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>geni wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>On 8/4/06, Nathan Carter <cartmanau at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Is there already a section within the foundation which can deal with
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>this?
> >>
> >>
> >>>>If not is some form of "abuse reporting" procedure needed?
> >>>>I think the best way to do it is for the foundation itself to do the
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>dirty
> >>
> >>
> >>>>work so to speak, which should avoid any privacy issues.
> >>>>Cheers,
> >>>>Nathan Carter (Cartman02au)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>While that may be an option in the short term in the long run this is
> >>>likely to become more common and thus it is probably best that there
> >>>to be a way to deal with this below foundation level.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>Most of the ISP's ignore these reports, including DCMA takedown notices
> >>(they just throw them in the trash). One very effective
> >>method that both works and gets their attention I have used at
> >>WikiGadugi dissuades 100% of vandals, gets the ISP's attention, and
> >>gets the problem fixed immediately. It is as follows:
> >>
> >>1. When I first setup WikiGadugi, I had the distinct pleasure of being
> >>visited by WillyonWheels from the UK.
> >>2. I tried the whole page move vandal, blocking, blah blah blah, it only
> >>made him more persistent.
> >>3. I wrote a shim program into IP tables as a MediaWiki addon that does
> >>WHOIS lookup everytime
> >>the IP address gets used to write a page and saves not only the IP
> >>address for the write, but the ISP range as well.
> >>4. The shim checks a file not visible where I record IP addresses for
> >>vandal addresses and autoblocks the entire ISP IP range AT THE FIREWALL
> >>blocking both reading and writing, shutting down all access for that
> ISP.
> >>
> >>I had someone from the UK email me (my email servers are on a separate
> >>network) from this ISP range. It was
> >>blueyonder.uk and apparently, other universities were studying the
> >>Cherokee translation and wondered why the site was down. It was not long
> >>before the ISP notified me a certain account was "suspended".
> >>
> >>I would suggest creating a banned ISP listing with ranges based on
> >>persistent vandals, and when they suspend the accounts, you will unblock
> >>them
> >>at the firewall. It fixed my vandalism problems. I have 0% vandalism at
> >>the WikiGadugi site and I stuck it to WillyOnWheels.
> >>
> >>Jeff
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